"Where do you get your protein?"

[taekwondave]

Here's the thing though: Reading The China Study was quite the shock to me. The author has some very interesting experiences that suggest the vast majority of studies in our country regarding diet and disease are bogus; funded by the very industries that benefit most from the information: meat and dairy. It's big business, obviously, and they have more than a little financial incentive to keep people believing it's good for them. The studies this author conducted in China over some ten or twenty years or something with some bajillion or so chinese as lab rats came to some very startling conclusions. Would it agree with the millions of studies you can look up in online journals and whatnot? Probably not. But that's also addressed in his book. Thumb through it. It's a good read.

[taekwondave]

The bad breath is present from the beginning. It's a result of the ketosis that the diet encourages. That site doesn't seem to help your cause much.

My case?

[woot]

Here's the thing though: Reading The China Study was quite the shock to me. The author has some very interesting experiences that suggest the vast majority of studies in our country regarding diet and disease are bogus; funded by the very industries that benefit most from the information: meat and dairy. It's big business, obviously, and they have more than a little financial incentive to keep people believing it's good for them. The studies this author conducted in China over some ten or twenty years or something with some bajillion or so chinese as lab rats came to some very startling conclusions. Would it agree with the millions of studies you can look up in online journals and whatnot? Probably not. But that's also addressed in his book. Thumb through it. It's a good read.

Studies involving diet are incredibly difficult. There are way too many factors involved for any study to be conclusive. It is true that lobbies are a scourge on our society, but that isn't why most studies are wrong. Furthermore, meat and dairy are certainly not the only ones that benefit from lobbyists. The sugar lobby, for instance, prevented the FDA from coming out with any statement advising people to avoid sugar, instead, it was changed to "choose foods low in sugar" which actually reads like an encouragement.

Corn is one of the biggest beneficiaries, although I haven't seen stats on which industries rank highest.

[woot]

My case?

come again?

[taekwondave]

Studies involving diet are incredibly difficult. There are way too many factors involved for any study to be conclusive.

That's addressed in the China Study. Have you read it? You seem pretty well-read and you articulate your positions very well so if you've read it I'd be curious to know what weaknesses you see in the method used in that particular study. I personally liked the fact that it was so broad and showed diet trends by region the way it did. I thought it did a pretty good job of narrowing down the culprits. The study on mice and cow's milk was a little shocking.

[Uncle Ted]

Studies involving diet are incredibly difficult. There are way too many factors involved for any study to be conclusive. It is true that lobbies are a scourge on our society, but that isn't why most studies are wrong. Furthermore, meat and dairy are certainly not the only ones that benefit from lobbyists. The sugar lobby, for instance, prevented the FDA from coming out with any statement advising people to avoid sugar, instead, it was changed to "choose foods low in sugar" which actually reads like an encouragement.

Corn is one of the biggest beneficiaries, although I haven't seen stats on which industries rank highest.

Yeah, I have always suspected those Children of the Corn bastards are hiding something...

Cancer cells slurp up fructose, US study finds


Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain

New Study Tallies Corn Ethanol Costs

[Portland Ute]

I got my protein tonight from a vanilla malt.

1 TBSP carnation malted milk mix
1 Package of Jello Sugar Free Instant Vanilla pudding mix
1 scoop of Costco/Makers of Muscle Milk Whey Protein powder.
2 cups of crushed ice
2 cups of ice cold water

Mixed in the BlendTec.

32 ounces. 270 calories.

Smooth as a milkshake. No discernible funny taste.

I love vanilla milkshakes and this 32 ounce behemoth was as good as the ones you get at Red Robin. But instead of over 850ish calories for a malted milkshake that is actually smaller, you only take in 270.

[jay santos]

I got my protein tonight from a vanilla malt.

1 TBSP carnation malted milk mix
1 Package of Jello Sugar Free Instant Vanilla pudding mix
1 scoop of Costco/Makers of Muscle Milk Whey Protein powder.
2 cups of crushed ice
2 cups of ice cold water

Mixed in the BlendTec.

32 ounces. 270 calories.

Smooth as a milkshake. No discernible funny taste.

I love vanilla milkshakes and this 32 ounce behemoth was as good as the ones you get at Red Robin. But instead of over 850ish calories for a malted milkshake that is actually smaller, you only take in 270.

I did the same as you. Except for the malted milk mix, pudding mix, and crushed ice. Mine was only 100 calories and tasted fine.

[Surfah]

I did the same as you. Except for the malted milk mix, pudding mix, and crushed ice. Mine was only 100 calories and tasted fine.

How the protein is 130 calories itself?

[Commando]

I got my protein tonight from a vanilla malt.

1 TBSP carnation malted milk mix
1 Package of Jello Sugar Free Instant Vanilla pudding mix
1 scoop of Costco/Makers of Muscle Milk Whey Protein powder.
2 cups of crushed ice
2 cups of ice cold water

Mixed in the BlendTec.

32 ounces. 270 calories.

Smooth as a milkshake. No discernible funny taste.

I love vanilla milkshakes and this 32 ounce behemoth was as good as the ones you get at Red Robin. But instead of over 850ish calories for a malted milkshake that is actually smaller, you only take in 270.

That Costco protein is the real deal. The protein/calorie ratio is the best I've seen. Be sure to only ingest within 30 minutes of a workout, though, or you'll just crap that protein right out.

[jay santos]

How the protein is 130 calories itself?

One serving protein = 25 g protein = 100 calories. There's probably another 20 in fat and carbs, but you get the drift.

[Donuthole]

I got my protein tonight from a vanilla malt.

1 TBSP carnation malted milk mix
1 Package of Jello Sugar Free Instant Vanilla pudding mix
1 scoop of Costco/Makers of Muscle Milk Whey Protein powder.
2 cups of crushed ice
2 cups of ice cold water

Mixed in the BlendTec.

32 ounces. 270 calories.

Smooth as a milkshake. No discernible funny taste.

I love vanilla milkshakes and this 32 ounce behemoth was as good as the ones you get at Red Robin. But instead of over 850ish calories for a malted milkshake that is actually smaller, you only take in 270.

I promise you that did not taste as good as a vanilla milkshake from Red Robin. Sorry to be Darby Downer.

[Portland Ute]

I did the same as you. Except for the malted milk mix, pudding mix, and crushed ice. Mine was only 100 calories and tasted fine.

Yeah. I can do that, too.

[TripletDaddy]

Portland ute, that is great that you are finding ways to enjoy your diet and maintain your calorie goal.

I love the Costco protein powder, as well. It is a great post workout drink and the price is right.

[ERCougar]

So TKD (or others who have given up meat and dairy), I'm curious--where do you get your iron from?
While I don't abstain from meat, I don't eat a lot of it, I rarely drink milk (except for chocolate milk after runs), and I would guess that I eat a lot more fruits and vegetables than most. I thought that I was getting all of my basic nutrients until I started tracking calories and nutrients closely on my phone, and found that while I get plenty of vitamins, I have to really think about it to get my calcium and I almost never get enough iron. If I didn't do any dairy (or yogurt or cheese), I don't know how I would get calcium and it's really hard to get enough iron without red meat. There are plant sources of iron, but they don't absorb as well as animal sources, and the good ones are so few that I'd get sick of them quickly. You can get iron in cold cereal (which is fortified), but I don't consider that a very healthy habit (besides that, you've given up milk...). So I take a multivitamin, a solution that I don't think is very ideal, but it's where I'm at right now.
Do any of you vegetarians/vegans track your nutrients? Do you just take a vitamin to fill in the gaps?