Emergency Preparedness Thread

[UtahDan]

Anyone see the new show advertised on Nat Geo I think called Doomsday Preppers? It follows 4 "nutty" survivalist families.

Check out this clip:

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I am not that tin foil hat but the self sufficiency is pretty cool.

Just saw the one with the LDS family from Alpine. It seems to me that what they are mostly doing is showcasing people who are mentally ill.

[Drunk Tank]

Thought I'd bump this thread. I was looking at generators online today and came across this battery powered generator. It has built in solar panels to charge the battery. Not as much power as a traditional gas or diesel generator, but cool idea. I think it would be awesome in an emergency, or for tailgating, etc...

[NorCalBYUFan]

Our stake is going all out:

https://www.tinyurl.com/EPHandbook-En

Our stake's been working on this for a long time. They've had us report if the HTers were able to get a physical printed version of this in every home.
We're going to be highlighting it for the next year. One chapter a month.

Good information. Use if if you can.

[statman]

The problem with getting too elaborate on food storage - especially if you live in utah, is that if TSHTF scenario ever really does happen, guess what happens? Temporary law of consecration baby. Bring all the food into the bishop's storehouse - the cultural hall at church - and the bishop will be dividing it up as needed in the ward.

A couple years back my wife and I were the EP specialists in the ward. We did a survey of everyone in the ward - who had food storage, how much they thought they had, etc. We found out kind of shocking things - that basically all the High Priests in the ward had 6-12 months of food storage, that the families of the EQ, YM, YW and RS presidencies all had 6-12 months of food storage, and of the rest, about 50% had no food storage at all, and 50% had 1 to 3 months tops. And this is a neighborhood in N Utah county where the average home price is ~$350K. The depressing thing there is that the actual cost of survival-mode food storage calories that would sustain life for a year and give about 1800 calories a day - rice, beans, wheat and multi-vitamins - is only about $250-$300. For basic calories, to get 1500 calories you need about 1 pound of dried carbohydrates per day - wheat, rice, beans, etc. a 55 lb bucket of wheat is $18 at costo. Seven of those are all the calories you'd need for a year - that's $126. Swap-out rice and beans for some of the wheat and it's a bit more expensive. You want about 3 buckets of wheat, 3 buckets of rice and 2 buckets of beans and that, bought in bulk at costco with buckets and oxygen absorbers from that Emergency Preparedness store in Orem, would cost you ~$250 per person. Throw in multi-vitamins, a case or two of canned tomatoes per person and some spices and you're up to ~$350, living on what most of the people in the world survive on.

I'm sorry, but if you've got a $350K house and don't have any food storage, if TSHTF, you don't deserve anything from your bishop.

We have a couple things in our food storage that we simply wouldn't give to our bishop. We've got a diabetic son, and about a 24 month supply of insulin that he circulates through. In our food storage, we have a bunch of high-protein, high-fat items that he could eat and survive on without having to use too much insulin - certainly not as much insulin as he would require if he were eating the standard high-carb wheat/rice/beans survival food. Some of it is simple stuff like spam or corned beef. But other stuff is expensive survival food designed to be low-carb, high-fat, high-protein meals specifically for diabetics (and those who want to do Atkins!) after TSHTF. That stuff isn't going anywhere but to him (neither is the insulin)...

Back to the law of consecration thing - after my wife and I did the survey, we had a 5th-Sunday Bishop's choice meeting about EP, at which my wife and I presented stuff about what food storage is actually required to feed a person for a year, and the results of the survey we did. Then the Bishop did a little spiel and opened it up for questions. One of the first questions asked was about the Law of Consecration and TSHTF. Our Bishop dodged that question quite artfully. OF COURSE that's what would happen in such an instance. But the Bishop can't say that because those that have food storage would stop buying any more and some of those that don't have it would fail to buy it because the know others in the ward have it and the Bishop would take care of them...

[Lost Student]

The problem with getting too elaborate on food storage - especially if you live in utah, is that if TSHTF scenario ever really does happen, guess what happens? Temporary law of consecration baby. Bring all the food into the bishop's storehouse - the cultural hall at church - and the bishop will be dividing it up as needed in the ward.

A couple years back my wife and I were the EP specialists in the ward. We did a survey of everyone in the ward - who had food storage, how much they thought they had, etc. We found out kind of shocking things - that basically all the High Priests in the ward had 6-12 months of food storage, that the families of the EQ, YM, YW and RS presidencies all had 6-12 months of food storage, and of the rest, about 50% had no food storage at all, and 50% had 1 to 3 months tops. And this is a neighborhood in N Utah county where the average home price is ~$350K. The depressing thing there is that the actual cost of survival-mode food storage calories that would sustain life for a year and give about 1800 calories a day - rice, beans, wheat and multi-vitamins - is only about $250-$300. For basic calories, to get 1500 calories you need about 1 pound of dried carbohydrates per day - wheat, rice, beans, etc. a 55 lb bucket of wheat is $18 at costo. Seven of those are all the calories you'd need for a year - that's $126. Swap-out rice and beans for some of the wheat and it's a bit more expensive. You want about 3 buckets of wheat, 3 buckets of rice and 2 buckets of beans and that, bought in bulk at costco with buckets and oxygen absorbers from that Emergency Preparedness store in Orem, would cost you ~$250 per person. Throw in multi-vitamins, a case or two of canned tomatoes per person and some spices and you're up to ~$350, living on what most of the people in the world survive on.

I'm sorry, but if you've got a $350K house and don't have any food storage, if TSHTF, you don't deserve anything from your bishop.

We have a couple things in our food storage that we simply wouldn't give to our bishop. We've got a diabetic son, and about a 24 month supply of insulin that he circulates through. In our food storage, we have a bunch of high-protein, high-fat items that he could eat and survive on without having to use too much insulin - certainly not as much insulin as he would require if he were eating the standard high-carb wheat/rice/beans survival food. Some of it is simple stuff like spam or corned beef. But other stuff is expensive survival food designed to be low-carb, high-fat, high-protein meals specifically for diabetics (and those who want to do Atkins!) after TSHTF. That stuff isn't going anywhere but to him (neither is the insulin)...

Back to the law of consecration thing - after my wife and I did the survey, we had a 5th-Sunday Bishop's choice meeting about EP, at which my wife and I presented stuff about what food storage is actually required to feed a person for a year, and the results of the survey we did. Then the Bishop did a little spiel and opened it up for questions. One of the first questions asked was about the Law of Consecration and TSHTF. Our Bishop dodged that question quite artfully. OF COURSE that's what would happen in such an instance. But the Bishop can't say that because those that have food storage would stop buying any more and some of those that don't have it would fail to buy it because the know others in the ward have it and the Bishop would take care of them...

I'm interested in the "expensive survival food designed to be low-carb, high-fat, high-protein meals specifically for diabetics." (I've got a diabetic daughter.) Where did you buy it? (And also, can I have some of yours if I don't get around to buying any before tshtf?)

[BigPiney]

Our stake is going all out:

https://www.tinyurl.com/EPHandbook-En

Our stake's been working on this for a long time. They've had us report if the HTers were able to get a physical printed version of this in every home.
We're going to be highlighting it for the next year. One chapter a month.

Good information. Use if if you can.

That is great information. Thanks for sharing.

[statman]

I'm interested in the "expensive survival food designed to be low-carb, high-fat, high-protein meals specifically for diabetics." (I've got a diabetic daughter.) Where did you buy it? (And also,n I have some of yours if I don't get around to buying any before tshtf?)

We talked to the emergency essentials folks and got them to supply us MRE s entrees with % of carbs in the 25-30% range instead of the normal normal 50-55% range. We've got boxes with probably 100 or so of the lower carb entrees - which are about 400 calories each. Basically none of them are noodles or rice entrees - mostly mystery meat with fatty gravy...

We also bought several cases of freeze dried egg powder, freeze dried cheese, and freeze dried chicken/beef/pork/sausage all of which are basically all fat and/or protein and zero carbs. He can add those to a smaller portions of the general survival starches that everyone else would be eating. We also got a bunch of freeze dried refried beans - still have carbs, but a bunch of it is dietary fiber and doesn't count for influence visit, and have a good deal of protein as well.

In total, we've got enough of the freeze dried protein/fat stuff, plus cases of stores-forever nasty-to-anyone-but-the-hungry meats (corned beef, spam, canned chicken,etc) so that he would have an ~1800 cal diet with roughlya third of the calories coming from carbs - where as your standard tshtf diets are more like 70-80% carbs (if not more).

[wuapinmon]

I saw so many YSOF pitched onto FEMA heaps after Katrina, tens of thousands of dollars worth, that it gives me pause.

One funny side effect of all that wheat storage....most of the members' yards sprouted wheat that Winter.

[FN Phat]

Cam's post this morning about the KA-BAR had me re-reading this thread. Some very good information.

[Surfah]

This thing is so awesome.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a84_1398563985

[Jeff Lebowski]

This thing is so awesome.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a84_1398563985

Whoa. I want one.

[Surfah]

Whoa. I want one.

How fun would that be down in Moab?

[Uncle Ted]

Whoa. I want one.

I need one as well. Do they sell these in the states? Maybe we can get a CS group discount.

[FN Phat]

too bad you cant get one in the states...not that I could afford it anyways. The 490 is badass as well

[cowboy]

This thing is so awesome.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a84_1398563985

Is there a naked woman sitting on it? My server is blocking it, and the only things I block with OpenDNS is porn/lingerie.