Soccer Mom's thread grabbed my attention.

[I.J. Reilly]

To some the gift is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that he died for our sins.

To others the gift is given to believe on their words that they might have eternal life.

Not quoted verbatum, but it is in the D&C Section 46 I think versus 11 and 12.

I don't think I have the first gift. When I realized this, it was comforting to me. That gift wasn't given me. The scripture to me doesn't indicate anything about worthiness to receive the certain gifts. I think the scripture says something like "to some it is given and to others it is given".


There are some whom I hear and am touched. Truthfully most I don't. I feel, good for them, but I am not touched. For me, this scripture gives me an out to not worry about someone who seems to have more faith than I do. I can only do the best with what gifts I was given.


For the intellects or religionists on the board, if I have botched the understanding of the scripture, don't tell me. I like how I feel about it.

'71, this is a favorite of mine, as well. I find comfort in not having to know. No one should ever feel coerced in how they feel. You don't have to know to still have a gift of the spirit.

[Sleeping in EQ]

This is the place! Drive on, Portland Ute!

Many of us here have broken out of the stall, and out of the barn, and find a rather better view as we mill about on the ranch.

[Drunk Tank]

Thanks for the kind words... you must have missed this thread though http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.p...24&postcount=1

I think I had a total of 6 posts on CB, so no biggie.

Except for the fact that she was a whore in high school right?

See folks...don't grow up one way and then pretend to be another. If you do...you should at least move out of town.

I don't like that family

Damnit, you owe me a new keyboard......

[The_Tick]

I agree. I also have a great distain for those who have the "look at me, Im doing my part" mentality. I almost burst out in laughter last sunday. In our stake, we have a big push to bring 3000 names to the temple by november. We are building the "South Stake in Zion" as it has been quoted. We were in combined priesthood/rs sunday, and one of the prominent sisters (RS Pres in fact) stands up and sticks up a list of 30 family names she did the work for and is begging for someone to go do the work for them in the temple because she is so busy. Her brother volunteered. Really, you couldnt just call your bro, and ask him to do it in private? She had to make herself look good in front of everyone. Also, her husband always has a cool missionary experience to share...every week. They are super members. Mabe they are tuely genuine, but I dont think so.

Except for the fact that she was a whore in high school right?

See folks...don't grow up one way and then pretend to be another. If you do...you should at least move out of town.

I don't like that family.

[Art Vandelay]

Art, you could be my bishop any day. You sound like a cool cat.

Thanks for the kind words... you must have missed this thread though http://cougaruteforum.com/showpost.p...24&postcount=1

[Drunk Tank]

I'm a big believer in helping individuals feel and recognize the Spirit and letting them learn for themselves what is the right course of action. I'm always very uncomfortable being asked to tell a person which decision to make, unless one choice is obviously contrary to established doctrine. I rarely will preface my statement by saying what I would do, but I always counsel to do what is best for them and their personal situation. One of the great harms in life is the assumption that what is best for me and my family is likewise best for you and yours.

Art, you could be my bishop any day. You sound like a cool cat.

[Drunk Tank]

There are some people I believe who have too much faith. They don't think about the consequences the "faith" and decisions they make for others will have on those people. They have ready made excuses for why things didn't work out well.

I agree. I also have a great distain for those who have the "look at me, Im doing my part" mentality. I almost burst out in laughter last sunday. In our stake, we have a big push to bring 3000 names to the temple by november. We are building the "South Stake in Zion" as it has been quoted. We were in combined priesthood/rs sunday, and one of the prominent sisters (RS Pres in fact) stands up and sticks up a list of 30 family names she did the work for and is begging for someone to go do the work for them in the temple because she is so busy. Her brother volunteered. Really, you couldnt just call your bro, and ask him to do it in private? She had to make herself look good in front of everyone. Also, her husband always has a cool missionary experience to share...every week. They are super members. Mabe they are tuely genuine, but I dont think so.

[Art Vandelay]

Port-

My most spiritual experiences have always been outside the church. I cant recall any defining or "a-ha" moments that have occured within the 3 hour block of meetings we call church, but I have had some moments of clarity that were deeply spiritual to me, that I cant deny. I often wonder about those in church who profess to feel the spirit so strongly in church, and are so happy all the time. It has to be a show, right? I feel the closest to God when I am out in nature, similar to you, and what I can recall of the temple is confusing. I have my beliefs, but as far as the church goes, it seems as late I am just along for the ride.


On a side note, partially un-related....

Tonight I was sitting in missionary correlation (I am asst. ward mission leader....a do nothing calling)..and everyone was discussing an 18 y.o. investigator who's parents are apostolic. He likes the church but is afraid of being dis-owned by his parents who are very anti. Everybody was saying things like "tell him to make a stand"..> "tell him to pray and make a decision" "lets find someone in the ard who was dis-owned to help him relate"...I was like WTF? They were totally towing the party line..He is 18, but still in HS. He lives with his parents. Why would we want to do anything that may potentially drive a wedge between him and his family, in turn, leaving a bad taste in their mouths about the church, more so than they already have? For heavens sake, fellowship the kid, and if its not the right time, then dont try to force it. I am wrong in this?

I'm a big believer in helping individuals feel and recognize the Spirit and letting them learn for themselves what is the right course of action. I'm always very uncomfortable being asked to tell a person which decision to make, unless one choice is obviously contrary to established doctrine. I rarely will preface my statement by saying what I would do, but I always counsel to do what is best for them and their personal situation. One of the great harms in life is the assumption that what is best for me and my family is likewise best for you and yours.

[byu71]

Port-

My most spiritual experiences have always been outside the church. I cant recall any defining or "a-ha" moments that have occured within the 3 hour block of meetings we call church, but I have had some moments of clarity that were deeply spiritual to me, that I cant deny. I often wonder about those in church who profess to feel the spirit so strongly in church, and are so happy all the time. It has to be a show, right? I feel the closest to God when I am out in nature, similar to you, and what I can recall of the temple is confusing. I have my beliefs, but as far as the church goes, it seems as late I am just along for the ride.


On a side note, partially un-related....

Tonight I was sitting in missionary correlation (I am asst. ward mission leader....a do nothing calling)..and everyone was discussing an 18 y.o. investigator who's parents are apostolic. He likes the church but is afraid of being dis-owned by his parents who are very anti. Everybody was saying things like "tell him to make a stand"..> "tell him to pray and make a decision" "lets find someone in the ard who was dis-owned to help him relate"...I was like WTF? They were totally towing the party line..He is 18, but still in HS. He lives with his parents. Why would we want to do anything that may potentially drive a wedge between him and his family, in turn, leaving a bad taste in their mouths about the church, more so than they already have? For heavens sake, fellowship the kid, and if its not the right time, then dont try to force it. I am wrong in this?

There are some people I believe who have too much faith. They don't think about the consequences the "faith" and decisions they make for others will have on those people. They have ready made excuses for why things didn't work out well.

[Drunk Tank]

Port-

My most spiritual experiences have always been outside the church. I cant recall any defining or "a-ha" moments that have occured within the 3 hour block of meetings we call church, but I have had some moments of clarity that were deeply spiritual to me, that I cant deny. I often wonder about those in church who profess to feel the spirit so strongly in church, and are so happy all the time. It has to be a show, right? I feel the closest to God when I am out in nature, similar to you, and what I can recall of the temple is confusing. I have my beliefs, but as far as the church goes, it seems as late I am just along for the ride.


On a side note, partially un-related....

Tonight I was sitting in missionary correlation (I am asst. ward mission leader....a do nothing calling)..and everyone was discussing an 18 y.o. investigator who's parents are apostolic. He likes the church but is afraid of being dis-owned by his parents who are very anti. Everybody was saying things like "tell him to make a stand"..> "tell him to pray and make a decision" "lets find someone in the ard who was dis-owned to help him relate"...I was like WTF? They were totally towing the party line..He is 18, but still in HS. He lives with his parents. Why would we want to do anything that may potentially drive a wedge between him and his family, in turn, leaving a bad taste in their mouths about the church, more so than they already have? For heavens sake, fellowship the kid, and if its not the right time, then dont try to force it. I am wrong in this?

[wuapinmon]

That's only kinda funny...only because I'm starting to wonder if I am.

If you are, so am I. I could've written almost every word you wrote, from my own experiences. You are not dead inside. At times like these, when I feel down, I reminded of the words of an unorthodox prophet, Robest Nesta Marley, who said:

"We all defend the right/
Jah Jah children must unite/
Your life is worth much more than gold!"

[byu71]

To some the gift is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that he died for our sins.

To others the gift is given to believe on their words that they might have eternal life.

Not quoted verbatum, but it is in the D&C Section 46 I think versus 11 and 12.

I don't think I have the first gift. When I realized this, it was comforting to me. That gift wasn't given me. The scripture to me doesn't indicate anything about worthiness to receive the certain gifts. I think the scripture says something like "to some it is given and to others it is given".


There are some whom I hear and am touched. Truthfully most I don't. I feel, good for them, but I am not touched. For me, this scripture gives me an out to not worry about someone who seems to have more faith than I do. I can only do the best with what gifts I was given.


For the intellects or religionists on the board, if I have botched the understanding of the scripture, don't tell me. I like how I feel about it.

[scottie]

Stick around Portland, you'll like it here.

[Portland Ute]

It's because you are dead inside. Repent. Kidding.

That's only kinda funny...only because I'm starting to wonder if I am.

[Jarid in Cedar]

To be clear, Jarid, I don't recall anyone ever telling me how I should feel. Rather, I hear so many others sharing how THEY feel, that I start to believe that's how I should feel.

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That is how I read it as well, sorry my post insinuated otherwise.