October 2019 General Conference

[Green Monstah]

Sheesh, twice in one day, across two different platforms, that I agree with GM!

What other platform??

[Green Monstah]

That’s a very cynical take.

Yeah, it probably is. But doesn't anyone else struggle with the "teach them the principles and let them govern themselves" approach and the presence of two handbooks written by Kirton McConkie attorneys?*

In practice, I've found almost all church leaders to be kind, practical people. But I do view this revision in particular as a way to separate/punish/marginalize those that don't fall in line. Maybe it's just my cynicism, but I'm struggling to see a plausible alternative.

*This is a joke. But I suspect it's true, at least in part.

[smokymountainrain]

Huh?

lol

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think people tend to overthink this issue when it just takes a little common sense. There is a difference between disagreeing and being disloyal. There is no problem with disagreeing with the church as long as that disagreement is done in a spirit of love and unity. Openly fighting against the church in a way that diminishes faith and leads people away is being disloyal. Stay within those parameters and don't bother your local leaders with your anxiety - plan your yes/no answers before the interview. And if you feel like you need to discuss it, share your disagreements in a spirit of love and humility and you will not have a problem 99.9% of the time.

[swampfrog]

The questions that I answer the expected responses to are often not the questions the interviewer thinks they asked. So far I've never asked them to clarify the questions, and they haven't asked me to clarify my answers. I don't see anything in the new verbiage that will change that.

[falafel]

Work out your salvation and use your own wits to interpret our rules, unless we interpret them for you. Then, you must follow our interpretation.

Or you can do what I do, just tell them the answer they want to hear.

Sheesh, twice in one day, across two different platforms, that I agree with GM!

[All-American]

That’s a very cynical take.

Yeah, GM. Be mindful of where you are. This is not the right place for cynicism.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Work out your salvation and use your own wits to interpret our rules, unless we interpret them for you. Then, you must follow our interpretation.

Or you can do what I do, just tell them the answer they want to hear.

That’s a very cynical take.

[creekster]

Work out your salvation and use your own wits to interpret our rules, unless we interpret them for you. Then, you must follow our interpretation.

Or you can do what I do, just tell them the answer they want to hear.

Right. The only alternative. And I suppose you, of all people, sit around and wait for SLC to tell you what to think?

We all have to decide what we think and believe. God gave us brains that think and reason.

[Green Monstah]

If you are sitting around waiting for someone in SLC to tell you what to think, you're doing it wrong. You're responsible for your own salvation, so seek it out.

Work out your salvation and use your own wits to interpret our rules, unless we interpret them for you. Then, you must follow our interpretation.

Or you can do what I do, just tell them the answer they want to hear.

[creekster]

When not even a stake president knows what the current ruling is, how can a lay person know what the church's stance is on a social issue so he can align with it? I think it will more and more come to- believe what you want just don't actively tear the church down, and don't actively try to dissuade someone from leaving.

If you are sitting around waiting for someone in SLC to tell you what to think, you're doing it wrong. You're responsible for your own salvation, so seek it out.

[Donuthole]

When not even a stake president knows what the current ruling is, how can a lay person know what the church's stance is on a social issue so he can align with it? I think it will more and more come to- believe what you want just don't actively tear the church down, and don't actively try to dissuade someone from leaving.

Huh?

[Katy Lied]

When not even a stake president knows what the current ruling is, how can a lay person know what the church's stance is on a social issue so he can align with it? I think it will more and more come to- believe what you want just don't actively tear the church down, and don't actively try to dissuade someone from leaving.

[smokymountainrain]

Nice for the Church to make sure that important doctrinal clarification is right there on archive.sltrib.com for anybody to read and reference if they need help understanding the new TR questions.

[Uncle Ted]

Nice for the Church to make sure that important doctrinal clarification is right there on archive.sltrib.com for anybody to read and reference if they need help understanding the new TR questions.

LOL.