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  • Russia labels Jehovah's Witnesses an extremist religion

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/2....co/8Cy8mQjEh1

    This article does not mention the seizure of church owned property, but I've seen tweets that do.

    From the article:

    Russia’s Supreme Court on Thursday declared Jehovah’s Witnesses, a Christian denomination that rejects violence, an extremist organization, banning the group from operating on Russian territory and putting its more than 170,000 Russian worshipers in the same category as Islamic State militants.
    The denomination suffered relentless persecution by the KGB during the Soviet era and, after more than a decade of relative peace following the collapse of Communism in 1991, it again became a target for official harassment under a 2002 anti-extremism law that makes it illegal for any group, other than the Orthodox Church and other traditional religious institutions, to proclaim itself as offering a true path to religious or political salvation.
    This has to be concerning to the LDS church who obviously could be said to run afoul of that same law if a government was looking to pick up some free real estate. If property is actually seizable under such a ruling, I wonder what the value of LDS owned properties at risk might be.

    Then there's also the fact that the JWs under this ruling must cease to operate on Russian soil. They are claiming a Russian membership of 170,000. I wonder what a similar ruling would mean to the LDS numbers wise. It seems they've invested significant resources there in the last 25 years

  • #2
    Holy crap!
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

    Dig your own grave, and save!

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    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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    • #3
      Many LDS church buildings in foreign countries are built on leased land with very long terms - like 50 or even 100 year leases.

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      • #4
        For better or worse, totalitarian regimes tend to like the Church more than most denominations because of the 12th Article of Faith. That's one reason the Church was able to build a temple in East Germany sooner than in West Germany.

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        • #5
          Russia labels Jehovah's Witnesses an extremist religion

          Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
          Many LDS church buildings in foreign countries are built on leased land with very long terms - like 50 or even 100 year leases.
          Yes, but most chapels are just leased buildings or leased areas in office buildings. I know in France the church owns some expensive buildings (rue St Merri, the temple, Versailles stake center) but a lot of the buildings in smaller areas are pretty ho-hum. We didn't even have a piano in Evreux!


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Moliere View Post
            Yes, but most chapels are just leased buildings or leased areas in office buildings. I know in France the church owns some expensive buildings (rue St Merri, the temple, Versailles stake center) but a lot of the buildings in smaller areas are pretty ho-hum. We didn't even have a piano in Evreux!


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            Don't you mean "Yes, and..." not, "Yes, but..."? Our two statements are not contradictory in any way.

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            • #7
              Wow. Putin is a horrible person.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                Many LDS church buildings in foreign countries are built on leased land with very long terms - like 50 or even 100 year leases.
                Makes sense. Christ will come before then.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  Wow. Putin is a horrible person.
                  Pshaw. If he really was horrible, would our president be cozying up to him?

                  FYI, the recent This American Life is all about Putin. It's pretty interesting.
                  "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
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                  • #10
                    Would be interesting to see what Huntsman (current nominee to be Ambassador to Russia) would do if they did the same thing to the Mormons over there. I understand that the Church has already had to put some restrictions on missionary work in Russia to avoid problems with the government (although I can't remember the exact details).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                      Don't you mean "Yes, and..." not, "Yes, but..."? Our two statements are not contradictory in any way.
                      I was trying to make the distinction between just leasing the land and leasing random building space that is then used as a chapel. Versailles has an actual building that the church built on leased land. The rest of the churches I attended in France were just space leased from an existing building.


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                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Wow. Putin is a horrible person.
                        Careful, Walter will chastise you for that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                          Careful, Walter will chastise you for that.
                          Ha. Getting along with Putin and Putin being a horrible person are not mutually exclusive. A cursory examination of US foreign relations over the past few decades will yield many examples that illustrate this point.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                            Makes sense. Christ will come before then.
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