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  • Tim
    Not Banned
    • Nov 2008
    • 4390

    #121
    Where performance is measured, performance improves. Where performance is measured and reported back, the rate of improvement accelerates.
    Is he speaking as the prophet there or as an organizational behaviorist? If he's speaking as the prophet, is he prophesying that the rate of improvement WILL improve with additional measurement and reporting? If he's speaking from an organizational perspective, where's the data to back that up? I imagine everyone here as personal evidence that suggests the opposite is true.
    Visca Catalunya Lliure

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    • Moliere
      One man.....one pie
      • Oct 2009
      • 27926

      #122
      Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
      With all due respect to President Monson (and countless other authorities, both general and local), has the home teaching performance improved significantly in the last few decades? Have we become better home teachers? In what concrete areas have you seen an accelerated rate of improvement? If so, could someone please tell my EQP's, Bishops, stake leaders, etc. of the last 20 years? Please let them know about the progress made. Becuase they are still making an almost intolerable 3rd hour even less tolerable, by constantly trying to improve our performance.
      Reporting the % of home teaching done (defined as in the home, giving a lesson, saying a prayer) is not reporting performance. It's a "check the box" mentality. Performance is developing a relationship, caring for the family and providing Christ-like service. Not much of that is shown in the current reporting.

      If reporting really helps performance, then I'd say the baseball baptisms were a success!
      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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      • wuapinmon
        Soul Plumber
        • Dec 2008
        • 30711

        #123
        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
        Reporting the % of home teaching done (defined as in the home, giving a lesson, saying a prayer) is not reporting performance. It's a "check the box" mentality. Performance is developing a relationship, caring for the family and providing Christ-like service. Not much of that is shown in the current reporting.

        If reporting really helps performance, then I'd say the baseball baptisms were a success!
        "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
        The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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        • Northwestcoug
          Cocked and Loaded
          • May 2011
          • 18095

          #124
          Originally posted by Moliere View Post
          Reporting the % of home teaching done (defined as in the home, giving a lesson, saying a prayer) is not reporting performance. It's a "check the box" mentality. Performance is developing a relationship, caring for the family and providing Christ-like service. Not much of that is shown in the current reporting.

          If reporting really helps performance, then I'd say the baseball baptisms were a success!
          Ah, I'm glad that's cleared up. I eagerly await when the significant improvement in performance (i.e. HT percentage) for the last 50 years will be reported, in that it will show a clear upward trend.
          "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
          "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
          - SeattleUte

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          • PaloAltoCougar
            Semper infra dignitatem
            • Nov 2008
            • 16962

            #125
            Not squarely on topic by any means, but home teaching responsibilities weighed heavily at our ward dinner Saturday. It was our annual fundraising auction at which our bishop puts up for bid a variety of sports memorabilia, along with the usual cakes and food items. I was dueling with an older woman whom I home teach for a football that was autographed by Lavell Edwards, Steve Young and Ty Detmer. The bidding was lively, and I was about to make a higher bid when she turned around and shouted, "You're my home teacher, and if you bid me up you will have utterly failed in your calling." I withdrew, and she got the ball.

            The next item was four tickets to next winter's BYU game at either St. Mary's or Santa Clara, to be squired to and from by Mark Bigelow, who had obtained permission for the group to meet with Coach Rose and the rest of the team in the locker room. I was about to be outbid by my home teacher, but a dirty look, couple with the assurance I would give him full credit for visits for the next three months, resulted in his withdrawal and a winning bid for me. I have a testimony of home teaching.

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            • Blueintheface
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 15382

              #126
              Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
              Not squarely on topic by any means, but home teaching responsibilities weighed heavily at our ward dinner Saturday. It was our annual fundraising auction at which our bishop puts up for bid a variety of sports memorabilia, along with the usual cakes and food items. I was dueling with an older woman whom I home teach for a football that was autographed by Lavell Edwards, Steve Young and Ty Detmer. The bidding was lively, and I was about to make a higher bid when she turned around and shouted, "You're my home teacher, and if you bid me up you will have utterly failed in your calling." I withdrew, and she got the ball.

              The next item was four tickets to next winter's BYU game at either St. Mary's or Santa Clara, to be squired to and from by Mark Bigelow, who had obtained permission for the group to meet with Coach Rose and the rest of the team in the locker room. I was about to be outbid by my home teacher, but a dirty look, couple with the assurance I would give him full credit for visits for the next three months, resulted in his withdrawal and a winning bid for me. I have a testimony of home teaching.
              I didn't get the goosebumps but a laugh is just as good. I too now have a testimony.
              "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

              "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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              • Pheidippides
                Liberal Feminazi
                • Nov 2008
                • 14759

                #127
                Originally posted by creekster View Post
                Oh I agree. But it would be more difficult to do if you eliminate the VT program. I think my bishop optimizes it pretty well as described above.
                I'm not advocating abandoning VT. I do like the idea of a H W team where possible. And they don't have to go together. Make friends with people. Get to know them. Have them for dinner. Rotate assignments every so often. This will also help to build greater friendships in the ward.
                Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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                • Pheidippides
                  Liberal Feminazi
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 14759

                  #128
                  Originally posted by Sullyute View Post
                  President Monson:
                  Yeah, whatever. Show me how your going to measure me and I'll show you how I will perform. If your only measurement is numbers, I'll give you a number every month. Which is pretty much what I do now. I unabashedly admit this.
                  Awesomeness now has a name. Let me introduce myself.

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                  • creekster
                    It is NOT a monkey!
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 22661

                    #129
                    Originally posted by nikuman View Post
                    I'm not advocating abandoning VT. I do like the idea of a H W team where possible. And they don't have to go together. Make friends with people. Get to know them. Have them for dinner. Rotate assignments every so often. This will also help to build greater friendships in the ward.
                    This is how my wife does her VT. It seems like every other weekj or so we have her sisters at our house for some thign or another. It is very effective.
                    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                    • wuapinmon
                      Soul Plumber
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 30711

                      #130
                      We have a new bishop. Apparently, this is getting rolled out again. Wednesday makes 25 years since I joined the Church; I'll be shocked if I make it to 2018 without getting exed for speaking my mind and not sustaining shit like this.
                      "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                      • BigPiney
                        Huge Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 12413

                        #131
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        We have a new bishop. Apparently, this is getting rolled out again. Wednesday makes 25 years since I joined the Church; I'll be shocked if I make it to 2018 without getting exed for speaking my mind and not sustaining shit like this.

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                        • wuapinmon
                          Soul Plumber
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 30711

                          #132
                          Originally posted by BigPiney View Post
                          I only got one face da da da da.
                          I tried too long to erase.
                          You know if I left. da da da da.
                          I wouldn't leave a trace.
                          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                          • Katy Lied
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 9435

                            #133
                            I wonder if PAC still maintains a mancrush on Bigelow.

                            I really hate VT and feel it is outmoded. I think it was developed back in the horse and buggy days when the only church influence came in visits from members, or on Sunday. I dont see why facebook friending my assignments and then offering them weekly encouragement on Facebook is not more effective.

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                            • Jeff Lebowski
                              Corporate lackey for Jesus
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 69830

                              #134
                              Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                              I wonder if PAC still maintains a mancrush on Bigelow.

                              I really hate VT and feel it is outmoded. I think it was developed back in the horse and buggy days when the only church influence came in visits from members, or on Sunday. I dont see why facebook friending my assignments and then offering them weekly encouragement on Facebook is not more effective.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • myboynoah
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 21719

                                #135
                                KL has to be mocking wap.
                                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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