Is BYU complicit in the abundance of substandard housing in Provo?

[Sleeping in EQ]

What do you think?

[San Juan Sun]

What do you think?

Maybe?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Before we get to that, can you answer two questions:

1) What do you define as "substandard housing"?

2) What is your evidence that there is an abundance of substandard housing?

[MartyFunkhouser]

Before we get to that, can you answer two questions:

1) What do you define as "substandard housing"?

2) What is your evidence that there is an abundance of substandard housing?

I'd define it to include housing that is above market priced because of an approved housing requirement that makes absolutely no sense.

I can't speak for the current situation as I haven't been looking for Provo housing for some time, but I can speak for when I left back in 2001. My last place in Provo was a 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom apartment. We had 4 people in the apartment. We were each paying $230.00 per month, so we paid a total of $920.00. After a graduated, I moved into a 3 bedroom house over by Westminster college. We were paying $950.00 for this 3 bedroom house. Not only did I have 3 times the space for $30.00 more, I was living in a much better area.

I know for certain that 15 years ago that BYU had totally screwed up the housing market in Orem/Provo and I sincerely doubt it has improved.

[New Mexican Disaster]

I'd define it to include housing that is above market priced because of an approved housing requirement that makes absolutely no sense.

I can't speak for the current situation as I haven't been looking for Provo housing for some time, but I can speak for when I left back in 2001. My last place in Provo was a 2 bedroom, 1 bathroom apartment. We had 4 people in the apartment. We were each paying $230.00 per month, so we paid a total of $920.00. After a graduated, I moved into a 3 bedroom house over by Westminster college. We were paying $950.00 for this 3 bedroom house. Not only did I have 3 times the space for $30.00 more, I was living in a much better area.

I know for certain that 15 years ago that BYU had totally screwed up the housing market in Orem/Provo and I sincerely doubt it has improved.

Maybe instead of sub-standard housing you mean over-priced. If that is what you mean, then yes.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Maybe instead of sub-standard housing you mean over-priced. If that is what you mean, then yes.

Also, all but one place that I lived in during my time in Provo was a shit hole and substandard. The landlords were unethical bastards that did everything they could to screw over the tenants. The only reason one of my places wasn't horrible with an awful landlord was because it was a condo owned by a friends dad.

[creekster]

Why is BYU and its effect seen as a force outside of the market? It IS the market, right?

[falafel]

Also, all but one place that I lived in during my time in Provo was a shit hole and substandard. The landlords were unethical bastards that did everything they could to screw over the tenants. The only reason one of my places wasn't horrible with an awful landlord was because it was a condo owned by a friends dad.

Sounds like you just picked a crap place to live. At that same time, I was living in a 4 bedroom condo, single rooms, for $300/mo. $300 a month! And while it wasn't the Belmont, it certainly wasn't a shithole.

When I got married, I moved to Orem and lived in a 1 bedroom apartment that cost $650 a month (not BYU approved, because I was married).

[old_gregg]

Sounds like you just picked a crap place to live. At that same time, I was living in a 4 bedroom condo, single rooms, for $300/mo. $300 a month! And while it wasn't the Belmont, it certainly wasn't a shithole.

When I got married, I moved to Orem and lived in a 1 bedroom apartment that cost $650 a month (not BYU approved, because I was married).

indeed. i know someone who currently lives in a 2bdrm in provo for $750, including all utilities.

[Joe Public]

Before we get to that, can you answer two questions:

1) What do you define as "substandard housing"?

2) What is your evidence that there is an abundance of substandard housing?

This would be helpful in framing the question.

[jay santos]

Bernie Sanders should set standards and pricing for Provo real estate. That would be much better.

[DrumNFeather]

Before we get to that, can you answer two questions:

1) What do you define as "substandard housing"?

2) What is your evidence that there is an abundance of substandard housing?

Park Plaza on 9th and 9th was substandard for sure!

[Northwestcoug]

Park Plaza on 9th and 9th was substandard for sure!

Casa Dea apartments fit every definition of shithole. We lived there for a summer, and they never fixed the bowling ball-sized hole in our kitchen wall. It was an ugly, depressing apartment, and I do not like revisiting that memory, 20+ years later.

I just looked online to see if Casa Dea apartments were still there. Sure enough, they are, and BYU housing approved!

[Clark Addison]

I was a poor college student. I lived at Stadium Terrace ($130/month during Fall/Winter, $100/month during Spring/Summer) and King Henry (about the same price).

I am also old.

Stadium Terrace was awesome because it had these big bathrooms with two stalls and three sinks, so you could still shower or shave if your roommate decided he was going to take 30 minutes doing his morning business. Plus your rich, snotty friends would come over to your house and say "Dude, you have stalls in your bathroom!"

After I got married I moved into a house near the Hotel Roberts, right across the street from the liquor store, and paid $300/month.

As dumpy as Stadium Terrace could be, I preferred them to the Moon Apartments, where my brother and sister lived.

[creekster]

if your roommate decided he was going to take 30 minutes doing his morning business.

That sounds like an honor code violation. I hope you reported him.