The Crucible of Doubt's Crucible

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

You're a lot like the commentators on the Salt Lake Tribune website who are the first to comment negatively on every story about BYU sports while simultaneously claiming to have zero interest in BYU sports.

You could've just said LaUte.

[LA Ute]

I read lots of books and it is clear that SU does as well (probably a lot more than me, in fact). But I am not about to start reading books about whether or not I doubt or, one more step removed, whether or not the book about whether or not I doubt is well-considered.

I read the book because I am close to quite a few people with doubts and I wanted to be able to help them (they wanted help). Otherwise the subject isn't terribly interesting to me.

[LA Ute]

You could've just said LaUte.

I'll remember this the next time you're in SoCal and try to set up lunch with me.

[SeattleUte]

I'll remember this the next time you're in SoCal and try to set up lunch with me.

Oh, lighten up big guy. If someone wants to set up lunch with you that's about as sincere an expression of affection as there is.

[Walter Sobchak]

If you want an ebook version of my latest publication, board mail me or email me at John.Neeleman.Author@gmail.com and I'll give one to you (or you can buy one for 99 cents). I dedicated it to you all! It's a quick and easy read.

http://www.amazon.com/Response-Terry...=John+Neeleman

Now I regret canceling my Kindle Unlimited subscription!

[Green Monstah]

SU is proving he is everything he pretends not to be. He is Nikuman (lawyer) Utah Dan (asshole) and John Dehlin (sex parties) wrapped in to one.

[Green Monstah]

I read lots of books and it is clear that SU does as well (probably a lot more than me, in fact). But I am not about to start reading books about whether or not I doubt or, one more step removed, whether or not the book about whether or not I doubt is well-considered. Moreover, SU has been fiercely protective of his self-proclaimed status as a former adherent who has left it all behind. And yet, he has now entered the pantheon of the Tanners and their ilk. I don't care that he has, and I suspect his book is like his posting here, which is to say interesting if not always persuasive, but I think he should be honest with himself and us as to what this means concerning his position.

I don't expect you to agree, but over time, it has become pretty clear that the Tanners have been some of the most honest voices in Mormonism for the last fifty years. At bare minimum, they've been more honest than the Church. In the long run, I think the LDS Church will be better because of the Tanners (and others).

[jay santos]

Tanners: LDS church isn't true because of peepstones, Book of Abraham, polygamy, Book of Mormon DNA, etc.

Givens: ignore all that stuff, the church is still a great place to be, it has unique, expansive doctrines about God, faith is awesome and Mormonism is as good as anything else

SU: I'm fine ignoring all that stuff, but the church still sucks as it's behind the times on social issues, and I don't see anything positive in matters of faith, so religion only serves to hold mankind back

[SeattleUte]

I can send a pdf if anyone would prefer that.

[Uncle Ted]

I can send a pdf if anyone would prefer that.

How about you just post the cliffs notes?

[Omaha 680]

How about you just post the cliffs notes?

Santos already did that for us.

[wally]

Cool SU! Congrats on another publication! I can't believe this one will actually be LDS-themed! I'll be sure to pick one up next time I'm in Deseret Book!

[SeattleUte]

Cool SU! Congrats on another publication! I can't believe this one will actually be LDS-themed! I'll be sure to pick one up next time I'm in Deseret Book!

Maybe you can catch one of my firesides.

[wally]

Maybe you can catch one of my firesides.

I would LOVE to catch one of your "firesides."

[Non Sequitur]

Maybe you can catch one of my firesides.

Will there be refreshments?