I'm sure this has been discussed in every EQ that has ever existed. I've never felt like I've had a firm grasp of what presiding actually means. From a church organizational standpoint, whoever has the highest (??) keys presides in a meeting - though at times that doesn't even require speaking during said meeting. In my home presiding seems to mean calling on someone to pray ..... after my wife reminds me, it's time to have family prayer.
What does it mean to preside?
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That is a pretty funny aspect of mormonism. Mrs SMR remembers to say all the prayers, she decides when we have the prayers and my only role is to pick the person who either hasn't said it in a while, will say the shortest prayer (if I need to get back to the game) or will complain the least.Originally posted by Art Vandelay View PostI'm sure this has been discussed in every EQ that has ever existed. I've never felt like I've had a firm grasp of what presiding actually means. From a church organizational standpoint, whoever has the highest (??) keys presides in a meeting - though at times that doesn't even require speaking during said meeting. In my home presiding seems to mean calling on someone to pray ..... After my wife reminds me, it's time to have family prayer.I'm like LeBron James.
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Originally posted by smokymountainrain View PostThat is a pretty funny aspect of mormonism. Mrs SMR remembers to say all the prayers, she decides when we have the prayers and my only role is to pick the person who either hasn't said it in a while, will say the shortest prayer (if I need to get back to the game) or will complain the least.
One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.
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I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
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All shall genuflect toward Oxford:
Etymology: < Middle French, French présider to govern or control (c1365), to have the seat of authority at an assembly, to act as chairman or president (1388), to direct, control (1545) < classical Latin praesidēre to exercise superintendence at official functions or ceremonies, to govern, control, to guard < prae- pre- prefix + sedēre to sit (see sedent adj.). Compare Old Occitan presidir (1400), Catalan presidir (second half of the 15th cent.), Spanish presidir (a1457), Portuguese presidir (15th cent.), Italian presiedere (a1375).
1. intr. To exercise authority or control over; to rule, govern. Also fig.: to reign supreme.
2.intr.Thesaurus »a. To occupy the seat of authority at an assembly or meeting; to act as chairman or president.
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b. To sit at the head of the table.
d. To officiate at a religious ceremony; (Christian Church) to act as the celebrant at a Eucharist; to say mass (cf. president n. 2f). Freq. with at.
3. trans. To direct, control; to chair.
5. intr._ to preside at the piano (also organ, harpsichord, etc.): to play the piano, etc., at a gathering; spec. to conduct or lead an orchestra or band while playing the specified instrument.
The ones I skipped are dead usages (Obs. Rare).
"Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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30 years ago, this was a much easier question to answer. If you asked what it meant to preside in church, everyone would basically agree that it means something very similar to what is said here: To rule or to be in charge. What complicates it now, of course, is that:Originally posted by wuapinmon View PostAll shall genuflect toward Oxford:
Etymology: < Middle French, French présider to govern or control (c1365), to have the seat of authority at an assembly, to act as chairman or president (1388), to direct, control (1545) < classical Latin praesidēre to exercise superintendence at official functions or ceremonies, to govern, control, to guard < prae- pre- prefix + sedēre to sit (see sedent adj.). Compare Old Occitan presidir (1400), Catalan presidir (second half of the 15th cent.), Spanish presidir (a1457), Portuguese presidir (15th cent.), Italian presiedere (a1375).
1. intr. To exercise authority or control over; to rule, govern. Also fig.: to reign supreme.
2.intr.Thesaurus »a. To occupy the seat of authority at an assembly or meeting; to act as chairman or president.
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b. To sit at the head of the table.
d. To officiate at a religious ceremony; (Christian Church) to act as the celebrant at a Eucharist; to say mass (cf. president n. 2f). Freq. with at.
3. trans. To direct, control; to chair.
5. intr._ to preside at the piano (also organ, harpsichord, etc.): to play the piano, etc., at a gathering; spec. to conduct or lead an orchestra or band while playing the specified instrument.
The ones I skipped are dead usages (Obs. Rare).
1. If the Priesthood is present, it presides
2. Women can't have the priesthood
3. We don't really want to say that, whenever men are around, they are in charge
That is what has led us to the place where "preside" means to sit up front and call on someone to pray. It basically won't be resolved until women get the Priesthood. Then, presiding will once again mean to be in charge, because it won't be sexist to say so.
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I've heard people try to get around that by saying something like "Husbands preside in righteousness over their families as priesthood leaders do over their quorums, groups, wards, and stakes." That "in righteousness" probably worked for a decade or so. Now, I agree with you. I love that "prae" is the root, not "pre."Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post30 years ago, this was a much easier question to answer. If you asked what it meant to preside in church, everyone would basically agree that it means something very similar to what is said here: To rule or to be in charge. What complicates it now, of course, is that:
1. If the Priesthood is present, it presides
2. Women can't have the priesthood
3. We don't really want to say that, whenever men are around, they are in charge
That is what has led us to the place where "preside" means to sit up front and call on someone to pray. It basically won't be resolved until women get the Priesthood. Then, presiding will once again mean to be in charge, because it won't be sexist to say so."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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