Here's a conundrum: how can anyone be charged with apostasy if they deny they are apostate? Isn't that a lot like charging someone with atheism who asserts he believes in God?
What is apostasy anyway?
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What is apostasy anyway?
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
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"Apostate" can describe behavior as well as (lack of) belief. So one can be charged with being apostate per that person's behavior even while that person is professing a continued belief. In fact, aren't most Church courts the result of behavior?
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I'm sure JL is going to love this thread..."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Good old JD. I got a real kick out of this line:
Even though these issues are very charged, I ask that your comments be respectful (on all sides)."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Northwestcoug View PostI'm sure JL is going to love this thread...
"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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I saw you are his facebook friend. I tried to friend him but it said he didn't want anymore friends, he has enough.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostGood old JD. I got a real kick out of this line:When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Behavior? Per MW dictionary: Apostate: "a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle." Renounce: "formally declare one's abandonment of (a claim, right, or possession)." He has declared that he denies he renounces. He's not an apostate. (This would be fun to defend. Of course I'd lose the trial.)Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post"Apostate" can describe behavior as well as (lack of) belief. So one can be charged with being apostate per that person's behavior even while that person is professing a continued belief. In fact, aren't most Church courts the result of behavior?
Problem solved.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Another thread about John Dehlin.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
"...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
- SeattleUte
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Good point. We should merge them.Originally posted by Northwestcoug View PostAnother thread about John Dehlin."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Hold it! This subject matter is a lot more interesting than John Dehlin per se, and it's stand alone. "Apostate" is such an ughy term in Mormonism (probably by design).Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostGood point. We should merge them.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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You are in luck! I unfriended him recently. Tell him you want to take my old spot.Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostI saw you are his facebook friend. I tried to friend him but it said he didn't want anymore friends, he has enough."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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A 12 page press release? Woof."They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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I was going offer SU mine, but I haven't unfriended him yet. His incessant posts, that have become excessively self-pitying and self-aggrandizing (JD, not SU!), are clogging my news feed, delaying my access to the latest tests that promise to tell me which movie star, animal or tree I most closely resemble.Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostYou are in luck! I unfriended him recently. Tell him you want to take my old spot.
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I like how JD just makes up quotes from the SP to show he is being punished for supporting OW and gay marriage. He even puts them in quotes and makes it look like that is exactly what the SP said. Seems pretty shady.
I still hope he just gets disfellowshipped."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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You guys are bad friends. You were his friends until he was condemned to the gallows. Now you repudiate your friendship. cock-a-doodle-doo! cock-a-doodle-doo! cock-a-doodle-doo!When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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