Latest Stats and Facts on Punography

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I saw my first pictures of nekked ladies at my scoutmasters house. He was a single fellow in his forties and an awesome scoutmaster. During his tenure we had more Eagle Scouts that at any time in the Wards history. He really gave of his time and energy. We of course never told anyone what we saw and he didn't know we had ventured into his office where we didn't belong.

They weren't Playboy's. I think they were called art magazines. I don't remember him being an artist though.

It sounds like if the church got rid of scouting, it could also get rid of the porn problem.

[Drunk Tank]

lol, It seemed like every hike or campout I went on as a youth, someone would find an old tattered playboy. Then, there was the 50 miler when we came face to face with nude female hikers going the opposite direction of us on the trail.

I think some of the revenue loss may be due to the huge # of free porn sites popping up. They get all their money from advertising, not paid subscriptions.

[Danimal]

I've heard a few presentations now from LDS Social Service representatives and have been embarrassed by each one. They've all been based on inducing fear and they come across as cold and overly judgmental. Oh, and they completely ignore anything that resembles factual accuracy.

[Donuthole]

I've heard a few presentations now from LDS Social Service representatives and have been embarrassed by each one. They've all been based on inducing fear and they come across as cold and overly judgmental. Oh, and they completely ignore anything that resembles factual accuracy.

And perhaps the most disconcerting thing of all was how many people ate up every last word.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I've heard a few presentations now from LDS Social Service representatives and have been embarrassed by each one. They've all been based on inducing fear and they come across as cold and overly judgmental. Oh, and they completely ignore anything that resembles factual accuracy.

That has been my experience too.

[DrumNFeather]

I've heard a few presentations now from LDS Social Service representatives and have been embarrassed by each one. They've all been based on inducing fear and they come across as cold and overly judgmental. Oh, and they completely ignore anything that resembles factual accuracy.

We had a lady from LDS SS come speak at the adult session for stake conference several years ago. She put the blame for families being torn apart by porn strictly on the bishops of the stake who were not doing enough to help the women impacted by their husbands looking at porn. It was a very odd presentation. I was waiting for a hook or a gong or something.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

We had a lady from LDS SS come speak at the adult session for stake conference several years ago. She put the blame for families being torn apart by porn strictly on the bishops of the stake who were not doing enough to help the women impacted by their husbands looking at porn. It was a very odd presentation. I was waiting for a hook or a gong or something.

On one hand, I almost feel like these people do more damage than good by making porn seem like the equivalent of having an affair. The devastation to wives upon finding out that there husband has been looking at porn is probably exasperated by the rheotoric of these people.

On the other hand, you can't minimize porn because it DOES cause damage to marital relationships and it can lead to impulsive/addictive behavior.

I also find it interesting that Utah is the #1 online porn consumers in the country. I chalk most of that up to Utah having the highest portion of young males that aren't sexually active (well, sexually active in the real sense), but one also wonders if the highly verboten nature of it in the LDS world also plays a role. Naked women aren't like drugs or alcohol in that it takes some time to develop a taste for them, a straight male finds the image of a naked female pretty alluring early on WITHOUT having to develop a taste for it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I also find it interesting that Utah is the #1 online porn consumers in the country. I chalk most of that up to Utah having the highest portion of young males that aren't sexually active (well, sexually active in the real sense), but one also wonders if the highly verboten nature of it in the LDS world also plays a role. Naked women aren't like drugs or alcohol in that it takes some time to develop a taste for them, a straight male finds the image of a naked female pretty alluring early on WITHOUT having to develop a taste for it.

I have seen this topic (Utah #1 in porn) come up in LDS circles and without exception, the initial reaction is "Wow, Satan is really working hard to stop the church."

[TripletDaddy]

I have seen this topic (Utah #1 in porn) come up in LDS circles and without exception, the initial reaction is "Wow, Satan is really working hard to stop the church."

The one I hear most often (from my in-laws) is that the majority of those internet users are in more "liberal" areas, like SLC and Park City. lol!

[landpoke]

I would type "pornography," but that's not what she said. No, our lesson was on punography. I spent the first 5 minutes of the class wondering how someone whose profession it is to deal with punograhpy hasn't taken the time to learn how to properly pronounce the word

My dad's last office partner (a urologist) pronounced the term for the male member pen-is rather than pee-nis. I always found that odd.

[SeattleUte]

On one hand.

Come on. This is a coed board. AA, what about this!

[UtahDan]

I personally think the overblown rhetoric is counterproductive on this issue. Treating it as the equivalent of cheating on your wife (I'm sorry, it just isn't, not remotely) exaggerates the reaction women have to it and makes the men doing it less likely to ever tell a spouse or a Bishop about it. The bigger mischief here is that it is also an impediment to dealing with the underlying issues, if there are any, in the marriage. Women in the church end up treating it like an affair because they are taught that it is very nearly the same thing.

Most guys have looked at porn in their lives. Just like most guys have wacked off. Neither one is approved by the church or good for a marriage, but the level we have raised the rhetoric to just makes repentance harder/less likely, forgiveness harder/less likely.

I may be in outerspace though. I would be curious to know how the ladies, independent of what they have been taught, feel about this. No one needs to explain to you why an affair hurts you. No one needs to tell you why being lied to hurts or why verbal abuse hurts. Every woman everywhere takes these things like being flicked in the eye. It just hurts. What about porn though? It seems like outside of our culture many women accept it or at least think of it as a necessary evil. I'm not saying they are right, I'm just curious to know if you think it is the sin next to murder without being told that. Many women don't seem to. How does what you hear about this affect how you would take it if your spouse told you he had been looking at porn?

Again, not a defense of porn here at all. My main objection to it, among others, is the same as my objection to the Nike shoes made in a sweat shop: what it takes to produce it and how it affects the lives involved. Just curious to know what people think.

[SeattleUte]

I personally think the overblown rhetoric is counterproductive on this issue. Treating it as the equivalent of cheating on your wife (I'm sorry, it just isn't, not remotely) exaggerates the reaction women have to it and makes the men doing it less likely to ever tell a spouse or a Bishop about it. The bigger mischief here is that it is also an impediment to dealing with the underlying issues, if there are any, in the marriage. Women in the church end up treating it like an affair because they are taught that it is very nearly the same thing.

Most guys have looked at porn in their lives. Just like most guys have wacked off. Neither one is approved by the church or good for a marriage, but the level we have raised the rhetoric to just makes repentance harder/less likely, forgiveness harder/less likely.

I may be in outerspace though. I would be curious to know how the ladies, independent of what they have been taught, feel about this. No one needs to explain to you why an affair hurts you. No one needs to tell you why being lied to hurts or why verbal abuse hurts. Every woman everywhere takes these things like being flicked in the eye. It just hurts. What about porn though? It seems like outside of our culture many women accept it or at least think of it as a necessary evil. I'm not saying they are right, I'm just curious to know if you think it is the sin next to murder without being told that. Many women don't seem to. How does what you hear about this affect how you would take it if your spouse told you he had been looking at porn?

Again, not a defense of porn here at all. My main objection to it, among others, is the same as my objection to the Nike shoes made in a sweat shop: what it takes to produce it and how it affects the lives involved. Just curious to know what people think.

I think the hysteria is kind of funny, as the thread starter here demonstrates. There's a lot of fear in being a Mormon, as we see with porn and gay hysteria.

The other day my oldest son and I were discussing the recent appearance of a black bear in a state park near our house. I assured him that chances of him getting mauled by a black bear on one of our hikes was remote. He asked me, "What's the most dangerous thing in Seattle." It never occurred to me to say gays or porn!

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think the hysteria is kind of funny, as the thread starter here demonstrates. There's a lot of fear in being a Mormon, as we see with porn and gay hysteria.

The other day my oldest son and I were discussing the recent appearance of a black bear in a state park near our house. I assured him that chances of him getting mauled by a black bear on one of our hikes was remote. He asked me, "What's the most dangerous thing in Seattle." It never occurred to me to say gays or porn!

What about "Mormons"? Did that thought cross your mind? Be honest now.

[UtahDan]

I think the hysteria is kind of funny, as the thread starter here demonstrates. There's a lot of fear in being a Mormon, as we see with porn and gay hysteria.

The other day my oldest son and I were discussing the recent appearance of a black bear in a state park near our house. I assured him that chances of him getting mauled by a black bear on one of our hikes was remote. He asked me, "What's the most dangerous thing in Seattle." It never occurred to me to say gays or porn!

If I believe the poll the most dangerous thing in Seattle for a Mormon is you; no danger to your son of course.