Can a missionary do any of the following and still be effective?

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  • grapevine
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1990

    #1

    Can a missionary do any of the following and still be effective?

    Stay longer than an hour for dinner, Go get a gallon of milk if they run out on a day other than preparation day or go to store for other reasons, Glance at a tv that happens to be on in someone's home, Read something not in mission library, Glance at a newspaper heading or sports score, Enter home of opposite sex to teach, be a bit argumentive sometimes. Wear nonproselyting attire while shopping on P-day, Use mission slang, Be away from companion for a few seconds or minutes and be alone, get in late, sleep in or stay up late and a few others.

    I hear stories if I would not of been doing what I was supposed to be doing or were I was supposed to be than I would not of found this person. Or my only way of getting in or talking to this person was to disobey this rule, Than here there were many more people you could of taught if you were obedient to that rule.

    Baptisms do not equal obedience and they can't take place without someone else's agency. Some not so obedient missionaries out baptized sticklers to rules. I remember reading a book by Randy Bott were ZL kept coming in late. He chatted with him on way to airport about it and said how many mistakes did it take to disquailify the savior. Headed to airport on way home would not be my way of dealing with a situation like that. Last impression of mission president.

    Think is since we all make mistakes Jesus atoned for them. None of the prophets are perfect yet got the job done. Moses got pissed and struck rock and took credit for it yet lead the children of Israel. Missed promised land. Brother of Jared forgot to pray with intensity for some time a bit complacent yet led his family and friends across sea.

    Several ot prophets had shortcomings. Lehi got pissed at Nephi over broken bow and Nephi felt bad over his sins. Peter got rebuked terribly for some things yet was great prophet that restored priesthood in our day.

    Joseph Smith a little too trusting of Martin Harris and did not stand up for right thing and without 20/20 hindsight who can blame him.

    We don't expect GA's, our Stake President or Bishop or Quorum Presidents to be perfect yet they get the job done. Church run by imperfect people.

    Heard sayings missionaries would of destroyed church a long time ago. Thing is it is great that in spite of imperfections missionaries still bring souls here. I am not saying look for reasons to be disobedient under "spirit of the law" You of course should keep rules spiritual blessings.

    However don't stress unduly over the rules is my advice for people going out. Since the church runs with imperfect people people will come with imperfect missionaries who strive to do what is right in spite of mistakes from time to time. You won't come home over most of the aforementioned things unless it is blatant and repeated. People still come to church notwithstanding weaknesses.

    Interesting to read books and blogs of people that know what to do on missions. What makes there opinion greater than any others. We all have good stuff and this is some of mine.
  • HuskyFreeNorthwest
    Time to camp
    • Nov 2008
    • 26082

    #2
    Yes.
    Get confident, stupid
    -landpoke

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    • Uncle Ted
      The Big 12 money shot.
      • Apr 2010
      • 28853

      #3
      Missionaries these days are on Facebook! Yes, Facebook! They are no longer knocking on doors so they now have all kinds of time to throw frisbees at the Devil's playground.

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      "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
      "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
      "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
      GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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      • clackamascoug
        Banned
        • Dec 2009
        • 9709

        #4
        Baptisms are not the only way to measure the success of a mission. Sometimes just helping someone as a Representative of Christ is enough. But you already knew that.

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        • Uncle Ted
          The Big 12 money shot.
          • Apr 2010
          • 28853

          #5
          Originally posted by clackamascoug View Post
          Baptisms are not the only way to measure the success of a mission. Sometimes just helping someone as a Representative of Christ is enough. But you already knew that.
          No, getting lots of baptisms is how you win the game...

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          http://www.amazon.com/Missionary-Boa.../dp/155517177X

          OBJECTS OF THE GAME: The players work together and attempt to prepare their contacts for baptism. The missionaries win if they reach their individual and mission baptismal goals! Families who enjoy some friendly competition may form "districts" and compete to see which district can baptize the most contacts!
          "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
          "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
          "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • San Juan Sun
            Kicked to the curb
            • Dec 2009
            • 9214

            #6
            Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
            No, getting lots of baptisms is how you win the game...

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            http://www.amazon.com/Missionary-Boa.../dp/155517177X
            Wow. Just, wow.
            "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

            - Ty Cobb

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            • Flystripper
              Degenerate Gambler
              • Nov 2008
              • 14089

              #7
              that looks like an amazing game! A sure fire way to get my boys off the Xbox!
              Dyslexics are teople poo...

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              • Sleeping in EQ
                Philosopher of Men
                • Nov 2008
                • 4188

                #8
                Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                No, getting lots of baptisms is how you win the game...

                [ATTACH=CONFIG]2679[/ATTACH]

                http://www.amazon.com/Missionary-Boa.../dp/155517177X
                Oh good hell.
                We all trust our own unorthodoxies.

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                • Portland Ute
                  Junior Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 5647

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
                  Oh good hell.
                  And that is on Amazon? For anybody to see?

                  Gorgeous.

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                  • TripletDaddy
                    sweet triple
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 58186

                    #10
                    sweet review of the board game.
                    Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

                    sigpic

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                    • SeattleUte
                      Faith crisis consultant
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 20837

                      #11
                      lol. Seeing 3D venture out of his lair is always worth a look. I wasn't disappointed.
                      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                      --Jonathan Swift

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                      • USUC
                        Chronic Poseur
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 8784

                        #12
                        Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                        sweet review of the board game.
                        Ha ha. Definitely well worth the read.

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                        • Uncle Ted
                          The Big 12 money shot.
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 28853

                          #13
                          Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                          sweet review of the board game.
                          I wish "J. Williams" would give helpful reviews of these other board games...

                          http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Missi...pd_sim_sbs_t_3
                          Greatest Mission Is The World

                          The Greatest Mission is the World is a Risk-like in which players control "armies" of LDS missionaries in an attempt to get their missionaries into every country in the world. Players roll dice in battles determine which missionaries will get sent home and collect cards for victory which can be traded for more missionaries. Special interest is paid to Israel as the player who controls that region has access to the 12 Tribes to help win battles.
                          http://www.amazon.com/Who-Wants-Be-C...pd_sim_sbs_t_8
                          Who Wants to Be a Celestial Heir

                          Climbing to the Celestial Kingdom is as fun as one, two, three, on this brand new, challenging, board game. The board folds out into three dimensional steps with progression marked in the circles on each level. The goal is for each player to answer enough gospel questions to progress to the top. "Helping Hands," are available along the way. Here is an exciting new gospel oriented adventure for the entire family--the perfect gift.
                          http://www.amazon.com/MISSIONARY-NOV...pd_sim_sbs_t_3
                          LDSopoly

                          Players participate in the "United Order". Every player is given a stewardship over a number of temples that are located throughout the LDSopoly game board. The object of the game is to successfully administer and expand the number of Temples under y our stewardship. You accomplish this by collecting offerings from those who visit your Temples.
                          Edit: SUDopoly: LDSopoly, the spanish version. http://www.amazon.com/MISSIONARY-NOV...8235199&sr=1-6
                          OBJETIVO.Jugadores participan en el "Orden Unido." Cada jugador recibe un mayordomo sobre una cantidad de Templos que se encuentran en el tablero del juego SUDopoly. El objeto del juego es administrar y agrandar el número de los Templos con éxito que
                          Last edited by Uncle Ted; 09-03-2013, 12:08 PM.
                          "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                          "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                          "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • Sullyute
                            a day late/a dollar short
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 3308

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
                            Honestly this is the kind of stuff that makes me proud to be a Mormon. I love how we can be so wierd, peculiar, and lame while being total awesome all at the same time. I am still waiting for the Joseph Smith action figure with seer stone and AK-47. Mormons are awesome!
                            Last edited by Sullyute; 09-03-2013, 03:47 PM.
                            "Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.

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                            • Paperback Writer
                              Signature won a Pulitzer
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 5211

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Sullyute View Post
                              Honestly this is the kind of stuff that makes me proud to be a Mormon. I love how we can be so wierd, peculiar, and lame while being total awesome all at the same time. I am still waiting for the Joseph Smith action figure with sear stone and AK-47. Mormons are awesome!
                              I might hold out for the 2-pack: JS w/sear stone & top hat and Angel w/flaming sword. Sorry but Porter Rockwell probably ends up with the AK-47.
                              “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
                              "All things are measured against Nebraska." falafel

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