If a female tried to get into the priesthood session of GC...

[TripletDaddy]

I wouldn't expect someone from outside the LDS community to understand.

Haha. She was in the news last week or so. Apparently she helped ordain a female Catholic priest.

[Topper]

Kate Kelly chimes in on the women and the priesthood essay. She comes off well in this interview and makes some valid points.

http://gephardtdaily.com/local/exclu...h-essays-lies/

Still overly melodramatic, but she makes some valid points. Why people must make themselves into victims who "suffer horribly," is a little head-scratching.

[pellegrino]

Still overly melodramatic, but she makes some valid points. Why people must make themselves into victims who "suffer horribly," is a little head-scratching.

give it up, people react to losing their faith in different ways, her's is not only common, it's entirely reasonable.

[Topper]

give it up, people react to losing their faith in different ways, her's is not only common, it's entirely reasonable.

Are you my mother? It seems we have a lot of whiners among the departing. Look at SeattleUte, he may be critical, but he's never been a whiner. My primary complaint is each of us is responsible for where we are now as adults. At some point, stop blaming everybody else. You believe it is reasonable to anguish publicly about a loss of faith? And btw, I won't tell you to "give it up." That was so very mean of you. ;(

[cougjunkie]

give it up, people react to losing their faith in different ways, her's is not only common, it's entirely reasonable.

You called Kate Kelly reasonable? Haha.

[jay santos]

give it up, people react to losing their faith in different ways, her's is not only common, it's entirely reasonable.

She was talking about women in the church.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Well, I am sure for some folks, anything less than "Women can now get the priesthood" is a huge disappointment. As if that would happen through an essay.

Here is the response from Neylan McBaine:

http://bycommonconsent.com/2015/10/24/the-womens-essay/

Seems like the more general reaction is that there some positive things to work with here.

- No attempt was made to equate priesthood to motherhood.
- Discussed the male-only beginnings as being patterned after cultural traditions at the time.
- References women doing blessings of healing
- Discusses women using the priesthood in the temple

Most significantly, it seems to avoid making a hard doctrinal stand against female ordination. As I read it, it doesn't appear to close the door on changes in the future.

[Topper]

Well, I am sure for some folks, anything less than "Women can now get the priesthood" is a huge disappointment. As if that would happen through an essay.

Here is the response from Neylan McBaine:

http://bycommonconsent.com/2015/10/24/the-womens-essay/

Seems like the more general reaction is that there some positive things to work with here.

- No attempt was made to equate priesthood to motherhood.
- Discussed the male-only beginnings as being patterned after cultural traditions at the time.
- References women doing blessings of healing
- Discusses women using the priesthood in the temple

Most significantly, it seems to avoid making a hard doctrinal stand against female ordination. As I read it, it doesn't appear to close the door on changes in the future.

If the LDS Church ever calls a female GA, I hope the first is Neylan McBaine.

[Sullyute]

If the LDS Church ever calls a female GA, I hope the first is Neylan McBaine.

Or Amy Adams

[myboynoah]

Or Amy Adams

Really?

[SeattleUte]

Well, I am sure for some folks, anything less than "Women can now get the priesthood" is a huge disappointment. As if that would happen through an essay.

Here is the response from Neylan McBaine:

http://bycommonconsent.com/2015/10/24/the-womens-essay/

Seems like the more general reaction is that there some positive things to work with here.

- No attempt was made to equate priesthood to motherhood.
- Discussed the male-only beginnings as being patterned after cultural traditions at the time.
- References women doing blessings of healing
- Discusses women using the priesthood in the temple

Most significantly, it seems to avoid making a hard doctrinal stand against female ordination. As I read it, it doesn't appear to close the door on changes in the future.

So why not "Women can now get the priesthood"?

[SeattleUte]

Kate Kelly chimes in on the women and the priesthood essay. She comes off well in this interview and makes some valid points.

http://gephardtdaily.com/local/exclu...h-essays-lies/

I don't think she is self-pitying or melodramatic. I think she's impressive; well spoken with a surprising amount of panache (I had never seen her other than in snapshots before).

She is getting even. She is really pissed that they exed her, and hell hath no fury... They made a tactical if not moral error exing her.

She is right about this:--and I have said this many times--that if the LDS Church does not reform it will die rather quickly (she says "fade into obscurity"). She fears it will not reform. It always reforms; so I disagree with her. As soon as the Catholic Church admits female clergy the LDS church will follow, just like it didn't withdraw from the BSA. Had it withdrawn from the BSA in response to the BSA's acceptance of gay scoutmasters, that would have been the effective end of the LDS church. I predicted it would not withdraw, and it did not.

She is also right that the LDS church--like religion in general--has lost the moral authority and lost control of the dialogue and is dissembling. I don't know if it's "lying" because I haven't read the essays and I don't know LDS history as well as she does (nor do I care to).

[smokymountainrain]

So why not "Women can now get the priesthood"?

because the church is bad. really bad.

[SeattleUte]

because the church is bad. really bad.

Actually, the problem is worse and more urgent in the LDS church. The fact that lay clergy get the priesthood from age 12 makes the sexism much more insidious than in other patriarchal denominations.

[creekster]

Actually, the problem is worse and more urgent in the LDS church. The fact that lay clergy get the priesthood from age 12 makes the sexism much more insidious than in other patriarchal denominations.

Did someone just have a case settle leaving him a lot of unexpected free time?