If a female tried to get into the priesthood session of GC...

[All-American]

The Savior's parable of the five virgins being left behind and shut out of the wedding really anger me.

So you aren't opposed to polygamy, then.

[Uncle Ted]

Op-ed: LDS Church letter to Ordain Women meant to intimidate

[…]
Public statements, in principle, should assert official organizational positions. This letter, functioning as a public statement but composed, instead, as a private correspondence, not only clarifies official positions, but also deprecates the women to whom it is addressed through using language that publicly minimizes them and their cause.


It publicly devalues the organization and its assertions that the disparity in decision-making authority between Mormon women and men is unacceptable.


For example, Moody’s letter implies that the women requesting ordination do not appreciate the work of female Mormon leaders who have prepared a women’s session to discuss the "ennobling and eternal doctrines relating to women" and directly states that the Ordain Women event will "detract from the sacred environment of Temple Square and the spirit of harmony sought at General Conference."


It relegates their petitions for ordination to the level of demonstrations by requesting that the women remain in free-speech zones rather than approaching priesthood session doors. Its final sentence, "Again, we hope that you will … contribute to the strength of sisterhood in our communities" would be an honest plea for support if the letter had been private, but as a public communication it shames the women who are seeking equality by insinuating that their actions detract from, rather than contribute to, the strength of Mormon women.


Most demeaning perhaps, is the letter’s intent to publicly minimize the Ordain Women movement by drawing attention to the fact that "women in the church, by a very large majority, do not share … advocacy for priesthood ordination for women and consider that position to be extreme."
[…]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion...rdain.html.csp

I blame this on the fact that they let a woman be the church's spokesperson on this issue when her primary responsibility is for the nurturing of the children. A man would have never screwed this up.

[CardiacCoug]

March 2014 Ensign.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/03/f...ament?lang=eng

Deborah was one of these judges, the only woman recorded in scripture to serve in this capacity. She was a prophetess, judge, and deliverer. In her role as prophetess, Deborah did not hold the priesthood or possess ecclesiastical keys but enjoyed the gift of prophecy in a more general sense (see Revelation 19:10).

Yeah, Deborah did NOT hold the priesthood even as a Prophetess. Got that, Ordain Women nutjobs?

[ERCougar]

The author of this op ed should look familiar to a few on here.
She makes some good points, the most important of which comes out in the comment section--the church published this "letter" before those to whom it had been addressed had even seen it. Weak. Make a statement, don't couch it in the form of a letter. This is how the mouthpiece of the Lord works?

[smokymountainrain]

March 2014 Ensign.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/03/f...ament?lang=eng



Yeah, Deborah did NOT hold the priesthood even as a Prophetess. Got that, Ordain Women nutjobs?

Can't ever have too many reminders to ensure women know their place in the church.

[Mrs. Funk]

March 2014 Ensign.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/03/f...ament?lang=eng



Yeah, Deborah did NOT hold the priesthood even as a Prophetess. Got that, Ordain Women nutjobs?

Seriously, do they have any references for this claim? It seems like someone totally made that up out of nowhere.

[SCcoug]

Seriously, do they have any references for this claim? It seems like someone totally made that up out of nowhere.

Just Mormon logic. It goes like this, as proto-Mormons of course all old testament prophets would have held the priesthood along with priesthood keys since we hold that modern prophets have them. Likewise since modern Mormon women don't hold the priesthood of course a protoMo women wouldn't have either.

[Moliere]

Just Mormon logic. It goes like this, as proto-Mormons of course all old testament prophets would have held the priesthood along with priesthood keys since we hold that modern prophets have them. Likewise since modern Mormon women don't hold the priesthood of course a protoMo women wouldn't have either.

Yep, it's a byproduct of correlation in that the past is reconciled in some way or form with current doctrine/practice. It's how people get the idea that Jesus drank new wine instead of alcoholic wine :crazy:

[pellegrino]

March 2014 Ensign.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/03/f...ament?lang=eng



Yeah, Deborah did NOT hold the priesthood even as a Prophetess. Got that, Ordain Women nutjobs?

WTH does Revelation 19:10 have to do with Deborah holding the priesthood? That's some pretty incredible mental gymnastics there.

[Bruiserstone]

Seriously, do they have any references for this claim? It seems like someone totally made that up out of nowhere.

Agreed! The church is really handling the OW thing clumsily. Between the letter that was put out, not allowing members on the square, this Ensign piece, etc. It is coming off as a bit embarrassing.

[SoonerCoug]

The fundamental problem here is that dumb and/or senile people have all the power. Unfortunately, the Church tends to select against intelligent, rational folks in favor of fanatical dimwits.

If the apostles just read this forum, I think they would learn a lot and be more in touch with the world.

[Uncle Ted]

The fundamental problem here is that dumb and/or senile people have all the power. Unfortunately, the Church tends to select against intelligent, rational folks in favor of fanatical dimwits.

If the apostles just read this forum, I think they would learn a lot and be more in touch with the world.

It always makes me laugh when Sooner calls his own family names like "fanatical dimwits". Given the large amount of nepotism in the LDS church leadership I have to wonder just how many so called "dimwits" Sooner is related to and how far can an apple fall from its tree.

[Uncle Ted]

The BYU president search committee did consider both "well-qualified" men and women:

The search committee, appointed by the university’s board of trustees, considered many outstanding, well-qualified men and women for the position, including internal and external candidates from academe and industry.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/articl...sity-president

Of course, back in 1990's they also considered women:

We set up appointments for the most promising candidates, both men and women, to have an interview with the Search Committee. We were narrowing the field down to just a few good candidates.

http://magazine.byu.edu/?act=view&a=519

That particular search committee selected Merrill J. Bateman, one of the best BYU presidents ever.

So over at least the last 20 years the church is saying they at least consider women to be the president of the Lord's University. Even finding one well-qualified female candidate that doesn't have the primary responsibility to nurture their children has to be a daunting task, however.

[Sleeping in EQ]

The BYU president search committee did consider both "well-qualified" men and women:

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/articl...sity-president

Of course, back in 1990's they also considered women:

http://magazine.byu.edu/?act=view&a=519

That particular search committee selected Merrill J. Bateman, one of the best BYU presidents ever.

So over at least the last 20 years the church is saying they at least consider women to be the president of the Lord's University. Even finding one well-qualified female candidate that doesn't have the primary responsibility to nurture their children has to be a daunting task, however.

No doubt they had binders of women.

In all seriousness, though, what else are they going to say?

[byu71]

It always makes me laugh when Sooner calls his own family names like "fanatical dimwits". Given that large amount of nepotism in the LDS church leadership I have to wonder just how many so called "dimwits" Sooner is related to and how far can an apple fall from its tree.

I was thinking the same thing. Of course I wouldn't have said it as well as you did.