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  • #406
    The recently posted vids reminded me of a kickstarter project by the daughter of a friend. She is making a film about what it means to be LGBT at BYU - "Following the real experiences of queer BYU students." It's an interesting project and I wish them the best.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...f=thanks_share

    https://www.ssamovie.com/

    She has reached the ask amount and is beginning work on the film, but I'm sure she wouldn't turn down additional support.
    Last edited by 8BR; 03-21-2017, 12:00 AM.

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    • #407
      Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God, but same-sex marriage is only a counterfeit. It brings neither posterity nor exaltation. Although his imitations deceive many people, they are not the real thing. They cannot bring lasting happiness.
      https://www.lds.org/ensign/2017/04/t...es-on?lang=eng

      Ha! Pretty funny this came out right after the video. Talk about whiplash.


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      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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      • #408
        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
        https://www.lds.org/ensign/2017/04/t...es-on?lang=eng

        Ha! Pretty funny this came out right after the video. Talk about whiplash.
        I have seen some handwringing over this article on social media and I don't get it. Did you progmos actually believe the mackintosh video signaled the end of the church's opposition to gay marriage? Help me out here.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • #409
          Interesting summary of reactions to the video:

          http://religionnews.com/2017/03/21/m...es-about-gays/
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • #410
            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            I have seen some handwringing over this article on social media and I don't get it. Did you progmos actually believe the mackintosh video signaled the end of the church's opposition to gay marriage? Help me out here.
            No, it clearly didn't signal an end. In fact, the video never talked about gay marriage, from what I remember. I just find it humorous that anytime the church publicly shows support for gays, they seem to always, within a week or two, issue something that is against gays. That's why I put "Ha", not as in a funny haha, but as in an "I knew this was coming" haha.


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            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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            • #411
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              I have seen some handwringing over this article on social media and I don't get it. Did you progmos actually believe the mackintosh video signaled the end of the church's opposition to gay marriage? Help me out here.
              I think we need SU to help us understand what a progmo is. I could have sworn JL was one. Or maybe he's just a company man now
              "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
              "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
              - SeattleUte

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              • #412
                sure, we were nice, but to avoid any confusion, we still feel being gay is a bad, bad, thing!

                and one more thing - if you're gay and want to be in a committed relationship, you can't have lasting happiness.

                good luck with life!
                Last edited by smokymountainrain; 03-22-2017, 08:18 AM.
                I'm like LeBron James.
                -mpfunk

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                • #413
                  Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                  I think we need SU to help us understand what a progmo is. I could have sworn JL was one. Or maybe he's just a company man now
                  Haha. SU likes to call me that because he knows I hate it.
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • #414
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Haha. SU likes to call me that because he knows I hate it.
                    Another CS falling away. The Dude has apostatized from being a Progmo.

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                    • #415
                      http://counterfeitmarriage.com

                      Ha!


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                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • #416
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        I have seen some handwringing over this article on social media and I don't get it. Did you progmos actually believe the mackintosh video signaled the end of the church's opposition to gay marriage? Help me out here.
                        I'm not a progmo, but I will help you out. No I didn't think the church was actually going to change its opposition to gay marriage.

                        Can you help me out here. You criticized me for being cynical. You criticized me for not seeing this as real progress and just a PR move. It seems reasonable to see this as hollow PR when the church is still trying to deny rights to homosexuals. The church can still consider homosexuality a "sin" without using such derogatory terms as calling homosexual marriage "counterfeit."
                        As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                        --Kendrick Lamar

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                        • #417
                          Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                          I'm not a progmo, but I will help you out. No I didn't think the church was actually going to change its opposition to gay marriage.

                          Can you help me out here. You criticized me for being cynical. You criticized me for not seeing this as real progress and just a PR move. It seems reasonable to see this as hollow PR when the church is still trying to deny rights to homosexuals. The church can still consider homosexuality a "sin" without using such derogatory terms as calling homosexual marriage "counterfeit."
                          I stand by my statement on your cynicism. The fact that there are still many leaders in church opposed to gay marriage should come as a surprise to no one and in no way discounts the value of the recent video. Reasonable people understand that fundamental change takes time and patience.
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • #418
                            Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                            I stand by my statement on your cynicism. The fact that there are still many leaders in church opposed to gay marriage should come as a surprise to no one and in no way discounts the value of the recent video. Reasonable people understand that fundamental change takes time and patience.
                            Okay fundamental change takes time and patience, it also takes actual movement in the direction of change. Taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back isn't a progression towards fundamental change.
                            Last edited by MartyFunkhouser; 03-22-2017, 09:31 AM.
                            As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                            --Kendrick Lamar

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                            • #419
                              Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                              Okay fundamental change takes time and patience, it also takes actual movement the direction of change. Taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back isn't a progression towards fundamental change.
                              I rest my case.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • #420
                                Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                                Okay fundamental change takes time and patience, it also takes actual movement the direction of change. Taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back isn't a progression towards fundamental change.
                                Actions speak louder than words. Anyone would have a right to be skeptical of this type of video.

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