New LDS Church Website: Mormons and Gays

[jay santos]

cynicism has no real value as an approach, you know. Take it from a long time cynic who has lived a fair few more years than you. Cynicism, as a life approach, just makes you unhappy. See, no one and nothing is perfect. Everyone and everything will fall short of the mark. Every time, without exception. So cynicism is always correct, to some degree, and it just makes you miserable to realize it. Everyone is much better off if they try to look for the good in people and things. I doubt you will believe me. But I do hope you will realize that I am right about this at an earlier age than I figured it out.

I'm trying.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'll do it if you agree to be the resident apologist. A good podcast always has two different viewpoints.


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I will not agree to participate in this podcast, let alone, be the lone apostate on it with 2 apologists. That sounds dreadful.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I will not agree to participate in this podcast, let alone, be the lone apostate on it with 2 apologists. That sounds dreadful.

Using the word "apologist" as a pejorative. See Moliere? You two are a perfect match!

[Topper]

Using the word "apologist" as a pejorative. See Moliere? You two are a perfect match!

You three need to get a room.

[Green Monstah]

Honest question, do you not think leadership approved the video?

It obviously had to be approved. I just find it hard to reconcile this video with the church's other actions and policies. It may be monumental progress in a short time, but I have my doubts.

[Donuthole]

Very well done video by the church. The church is certainly moving in the right direction. It's been interesting to watch the church go from pretty much outright condemnation of gays, to teaching love and acceptance. In fact, this might be the first official church video where I've seen acceptance of someone being gay as a good thing.

I finally got a chance to watch this. I have no comment on the substantive content of the video. However, I do want to point out that the game they are playing at around the 5-minute mark is called "Fat Albert Ball", which is a very fun group game for all ages. Think kickball meets whiffle ball. We play at family get togethers and it is a blast. I am a competitive a-hole who comes from a long line of competitive a-holes, and I have five siblings who are also competitive a-holes. So the game usually ends in an argument, but that's half of what makes it so fun.

[falafel]

I haven't seen this video posted yet. Another video about a member grappling with coming out and what that means within the church. An interesting point in this video is the fact the woman received an answer to prayer that confirmed that she didn't choose her sexuality.

[Topper]

I haven't seen this video posted yet. Another video about a member grappling with coming out and what that means within the church. An interesting point in this video is the fact the woman received an answer to prayer that confirmed that she didn't choose her sexuality.

You mean electroshock therapy in the basement of BYU is NOT the answer to her prayer?

[falafel]

You mean electroshock therapy in the basement of BYU is NOT the answer to her prayer?

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Love the video.

Kind of made me chuckle when I saw the Black guy as part of their family, though.

I mean, made me chuckle in that I was thinking "Maybe 50-60 years ago, the issue this family could've been talking about is the fact that (admittedly jumping to conclusions based on the photos here) one of their daughters married this Black dude. There were church leaders talking negatively about inter-racial marriage and this guy can't hold the priesthood. Now, no one even blinks. Where will THIS discussion be 50 years from now?"

I know I'm a cynical a-hole because I noticed that the one time they showed the black son-in-law, the father is saying something along the lines of "God puts things in our lives to make us stronger." That made me chuckle.


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[Northwestcoug]

I know I'm a cynical a-hole because I noticed that the one time they showed the black son-in-law, the father is saying something along the lines of "God puts things in our lives to make us stronger." That made me chuckle.


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Hmm. Some people don't see black skin, they just see humans

[Dwight Schr-ute]

I just realized this kid's name is Xian as in Sean. The parents have no one but themselves to blame.


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[Northwestcoug]

Here's a lengthy review of the church's stance on homosexuality. It also offers a way out of what many here feel is a misguided policy and misinterpretation of doctrine. He calls himself an active member, and he has two gay sons. He has 'skin in the game':

https://mormonlgbtquestions.com

I only skimmed the article. He makes the obvious connection with the 1978 policy. I must say, I'm pretty cynical that a significant change in doctrine with regards to gay members will happen in my lifetime (but not cynical enough to give credit to the church for that video!). But there certainly is movement within the church that resembles the decade before the change in priesthood policy.

Looking at his obvious concern about the church, I wonder if millennial mormons are getting too much credit for pushing the church towards much-needed change. I wonder if it's good parents like him that will ultimately be the driving force for doctrinal change.

[UVACoug]

As a gay member of the Church, I have mixed feelings about the new Mackintosh video and I don't really know why. I'm sure it has more to do with my own personal psychosis than anything that is in the video. The message is obviously a good one -- faithful disciples of Christ should love everyone, especially their own family members, regardless of their personal adherence to gospel standards.

[Pelado]

I'm trying.

Whenever I'd say "I'm trying" to my dad, he would respond, "Yes, very."