Has atheism been proved?

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  • SeattleUte
    Faith crisis consultant
    • Nov 2008
    • 20837

    #16
    Unbelief is a gift.
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    • Utah ma'am am I
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 69

      #17
      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
      Unbelief is a gift.
      How can you say that? A gift is something that needs to be nurtured or you lose it. Unbelief takes no effort.

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      • Chadillac
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2011
        • 36

        #18
        My reasons for believing in God are pretty simple. Life in the atheistic point of view just seems absurd and meaningless to me. If there is no God, all we are is the product of time and chance and anything we do in this life will ultimately be for nothing. That seems seriously depressing to me. I know that's not very scientific, but it's enough to convince me.

        Right now I'm happy being Mormon. If I'm wrong... I'll never know.

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        • Slim
          Straight Out the Trailer
          • Jul 2009
          • 1007

          #19
          Originally posted by Utah ma'am am I View Post
          A gift is something that needs to be nurtured or you lose it. Unbelief takes no effort.
          This is one of those things that sounds nice but doesn't make any practical sense. There are plenty of gifts that are retained without being nurtured.

          Not that I agree that unbelief is a gift either. I wish I could believe the way many others here do.
          Last edited by Slim; 04-30-2012, 04:45 PM.

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          • RobinFinderson
            Banned
            • Nov 2008
            • 10548

            #20
            I would consider sharing my proof with others here, but I'm too concerned that some believers might not treat my proof with the respect that I believe it deserves, so I will just keep my proof to myself.

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            • Indy Coug
              Heartless Bastard
              • Dec 2008
              • 18747

              #21
              Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
              I would consider sharing my proof with others here, but I'm too concerned that some believers might not treat my proof with the respect that I believe it deserves, so I will just keep my proof to myself.
              God knows that's been a problem here in the past.
              Everything in life is an approximation.

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69754

                #22
                Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                I would consider sharing my proof with others here, but I'm too concerned that some believers might not treat my proof with the respect that I believe it deserves, so I will just keep my proof to myself.
                Once again mocking religious sensitivity. Way to go.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
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                • lambdacoug
                  Junior Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 3981

                  #23
                  *mumble* *mumble* something about Russell's Teapot *mumble* *mumble*
                  Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
                  - Howard Aiken

                  Any sufficiently complicated platform contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of a functional programming language.
                  - Variation on Greenspun's Tenth Rule

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                  • Flystripper
                    Degenerate Gambler
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 14105

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Chadillac View Post
                    My reasons for believing in God are pretty simple. Life in the atheistic point of view just seems absurd and meaningless to me. If there is no God, all we are is the product of time and chance and anything we do in this life will ultimately be for nothing. That seems seriously depressing to me. I know that's not very scientific, but it's enough to convince me.

                    Right now I'm happy being Mormon. If I'm wrong... I'll never know.
                    Actually for me agnosticism has not reduced the meaning of my life even a little bit. There is much to live for when this life is all you get.
                    Dyslexics are teople poo...

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                    • Viking
                      Banned
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 6470

                      #25
                      Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                      Unbelief is a gift.
                      I don't believe this.

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                      • Chadillac
                        Junior Member
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 36

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
                        Actually for me agnosticism has not reduced the meaning of my life even a little bit. There is much to live for when this life is all you get.
                        In Mormonism the ultimate purpose of life is to ultimately return back to Heavenly Father with our family. IMO, that's a lot to live for and gives purpose and meaning to this life.

                        Without God there is no purpose. We're the result of billions of years and chance. The entire human race will one day completely be erased and our Universe with either die a "cold death" or just cease to exist. That means that ultimately it does not matter at all what we do in this life because the outcome will be exactly the same regardless. The end result is exactly the same for the saint and the sinner. Besides a single lifetime of self-gratification, I don't see much to live for in atheism.

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                        • Non Sequitur
                          Where did I put my bodkin
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 5773

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Chadillac View Post
                          In Mormonism the ultimate purpose of life is to ultimately return back to Heavenly Father with our family. IMO, that's a lot to live for and gives purpose and meaning to this life.

                          Without God there is no purpose. We're the result of billions of years and chance. The entire human race will one day completely be erased and our Universe with either die a "cold death" or just cease to exist. That means that ultimately it does not matter at all what we do in this life because the outcome will be exactly the same regardless. The end result is exactly the same for the saint and the sinner. Besides a single lifetime of self-gratification, I don't see much to live for in atheism.
                          My kids are all teenagers and I still haven't told them the truth about Santa Claus -- I want their lives to have meaning.
                          "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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                          • UtahDan
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                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14496

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Chadillac View Post
                            In Mormonism the ultimate purpose of life is to ultimately return back to Heavenly Father with our family. IMO, that's a lot to live for and gives purpose and meaning to this life.

                            Without God there is no purpose. We're the result of billions of years and chance. The entire human race will one day completely be erased and our Universe with either die a "cold death" or just cease to exist. That means that ultimately it does not matter at all what we do in this life because the outcome will be exactly the same regardless. The end result is exactly the same for the saint and the sinner. Besides a single lifetime of self-gratification, I don't see much to live for in atheism.
                            Chad I can respect that you feel that way. Can you see how someone else might find just as much meaning without God?

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                            • SoonerCoug
                              Joycelyn Elders Supporter
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 4680

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Chadillac View Post
                              Besides a single lifetime of self-gratification, I don't see much to live for in atheism.
                              Are you trying to tell me that you have never engaged in self-gratification? Or that only atheists engage in it?

                              All joking aside, I think your entire post is ridiculous.
                              Last edited by SoonerCoug; 04-30-2012, 05:32 PM.
                              That which may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. -C. Hitchens

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                              • Viking
                                Banned
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 6470

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Chadillac View Post
                                In Mormonism the ultimate purpose of life is to ultimately return back to Heavenly Father with our family. IMO, that's a lot to live for and gives purpose and meaning to this life.

                                Without God there is no purpose. We're the result of billions of years and chance. The entire human race will one day completely be erased and our Universe with either die a "cold death" or just cease to exist. That means that ultimately it does not matter at all what we do in this life because the outcome will be exactly the same regardless. The end result is exactly the same for the saint and the sinner. Besides a single lifetime of self-gratification, I don't see much to live for in atheism.
                                I believe in a god of some form but to say my life without god would be without purpose is naive.

                                You maximize an ethereal future which may or may not exist. I maximize today, which I know exists.
                                Last edited by Viking; 04-30-2012, 05:47 PM.

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