Women

[Viking]

YIKES! Did we really listen to this nonsense??!!

Girls - all I really want is girls
And in the morning it's girls
Cause in the evening it's girls

I like the way that they walk
And it's chill to hear them talk
And I can always make them smile
From White Castle to the Nile

Back in the day
There was this girl around the way
She liked by home-piece M.C.A.
He said he would not give her play
I asked him, "Please?" - he said, "You may."
Her pants were tight and that's ok
If she would dance - I would D.J.
We took a walk down to the bay

I hope she'll say, "Hey me and you should hit the hay!"
I asked her out - she said, "No way!"
I should have probably guessed her gay
So I broke North with no delay
I heard she moved real far away
That was two years ago this May
I seen her just the other day
Jockin' Mike D. to my dismay

Girls - to do the dishes
Girls - to clean up my room
Girls - to do the laundry
Girls - and in the bathroom
Girls - that's all I really want is girls
Two at a time - I want girls
With new wave hairdos - I want girls
I ought to whip out my - girls, girls, girls, girls, girls!

[Viking]

I don't mean to threadjack, but SoCal residents with an interest in LDS feminism may want to join my wife and me at my BIL/SIL's place in Villa Park two weeks from the Friday. Each month they host the Miller Eccles study group and they usually manage to land some very interesting speakers. This month features Laurel Thatcher Ulrich who is a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and holds a professor's chair at Harvard. She's a member of the Cambridge 1st Ward. I'll be happy to pass along any questions...

You are the coolest believer I know.

[Solon]

YIKES! Did we really listen to this nonsense??!!

"Song for the Man" on Hello Nasty, in my opinion, shows that the Beastie Boys grew up too.

[woot]

Scoff! This is all just male guilt!

[SeattleUte]

I don't mean to threadjack, but SoCal residents with an interest in LDS feminism may want to join my wife and me at my BIL/SIL's place in Villa Park two weeks from the Friday. Each month they host the Miller Eccles study group and they usually manage to land some very interesting speakers. This month features Laurel Thatcher Ulrich who is a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and holds a professor's chair at Harvard. She's a member of the Cambridge 1st Ward. I'll be happy to pass along any questions...

I know what you're trying to do here, and I don't appreciate it.

[TripletDaddy]

I don't mean to threadjack, but SoCal residents with an interest in LDS feminism may want to join my wife and me at my BIL/SIL's place in Villa Park two weeks from the Friday. Each month they host the Miller Eccles study group and they usually manage to land some very interesting speakers. This month features Laurel Thatcher Ulrich who is a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and holds a professor's chair at Harvard. She's a member of the Cambridge 1st Ward. I'll be happy to pass along any questions...

I love Villa Park. We looked at a house there but decided to stay put at our original place. The houses there are very cool.

[Uncle Ted]

This is an interesting discussion, let's flesh this out a little bit more:

What would the church organization look like in a truly gender-equal capacity?

No, the women would be running everything. Also, the priesthood lessons would be much better prepared assuming that the female leadership wouldn't put up with the half-*ss prep that the male instructors do.

Would you abolish Relief Society, and only have an Elders quorum, since all the women would be Elders? I am hopingassuming that it would sever the tie between Church and Scouts, unless the BSA started admitting girls. Would there still be YM and YW, or just Young Persons?

The BSA has been admitting girls for some time (starting at age 14) in the Venture Crew program. The LDS version of scouting would be closer to what everyone else does.

Would 12 YO girls be forced to wear white shirts to pass the sacrament?

What about leadership? Would there be designated callings by gender at all (in order to keep equal gender representation in leadership) or how would that work? would there be a designated male counselor and female councelor in lay auxilary presidencies, or would it be left to the spirit to guide? Would there be a mandatory 6 minimum Male Apostle? Most assuredly we would have more women Church Presidents than men because of the life span indiscrepancy between the genders. What would happen when gender-combined lay-ministry presidencies results in an increase in marital infidelity?

I think the women would all become HP's and we would be stuck in EQ forever moving people in and out of the ward.

[Uncle Ted]

The role of women in the church is a major reason why I will never consider taking my daughters to a mormon church. That it played a role in my divorce is an understatement.

Kudos to women that seem to thrive in mormonism, my mother and at least one of my sisters, for example. My mother especially is a very strong and highly educated woman. However, I have seen the other side of what these teachings can do to girls and young women and I want far more for my daughters.

Hello Linux dude. Did you give FreeBSD a try yet?

[SuperGabers]

This is an interesting discussion, let's flesh this out a little bit more:

What would the church organization look like in a truly gender-equal capacity?

Would you abolish Relief Society, and only have an Elders quorum, since all the women would be Elders? I am hopingassuming that it would sever the tie between Church and Scouts, unless the BSA started admitting girls. Would there still be YM and YW, or just Young Persons? Would 12 YO girls be forced to wear white shirts to pass the sacrament?

What about leadership? Would there be designated callings by gender at all (in order to keep equal gender representation in leadership) or how would that work? would there be a designated male counselor and female councelor in lay auxilary presidencies, or would it be left to the spirit to guide? Would there be a mandatory 6 minimum Male Apostle? Most assuredly we would have more women Church Presidents than men because of the life span indiscrepancy between the genders. What would happen when gender-combined lay-ministry presidencies results in an increase in marital infidelity?

What a terrible conundrum equality would give...

[Moliere]

I'm with SU on this one. It truly is time for equality among the sexes and I don't say that sarcastically. I think the day is coming when women will represent a fair portion of management in companies and even in church leadership (not the LDS church....but who knows?).

I also think the day is coming that women will have the same chance to be drafted into wars and forced to fight on the front lines. Thankfully the recent change in practice allows some women to be closer to the front lines, but there is still a misogynistic tendency that prohibits their full participation in combat and that is wrong.

[DrumNFeather]

I have heard from good sources that setting up chairs and helping with parking at stake conference are two of the main sticking points on this issue...

[Maximus]

Is the idea that genders have roles sexist?

[SuperGabers]

Is the idea that genders have roles sexist?

Yes.

[Maximus]

Do you think it is possible that God thinks that genders have roles?


I just think it is possible we dont see everything and that there is a lot we dont know.

[RobinFinderson]

Do you think it is possible that God thinks that genders the different sexes have roles?


I just think it is possible we dont see everything and that there is a lot we dont know.

FIFY. Gender refers to the social constructed identities associated with masculinity and femininity. Sex refers to what you have between the legs. Lots of people confuse the two, and it hardly matters in most situations, but we may as well be smart about it.

Sure. What role do you think God has for hermaphrodites?