Temple Work Manipulation stories

[grapevine]

So I heard this story today someone heard someone say President Benson or someone else told of how some young person was to give a 2 and a half minute talk on Geneology or Temple Work got up made them wait two and a half minutes than said I know you made me wait but those people have been waiting many years. Than sat down.

Thing is it is critical we go to the temple as often as we can get as much work done as we can. However just as an unworthy person will not be benefited by Temple Work A worthy person won't be denied any blessings he is entitled too because his temple work didn't get done in time. Our salvation will be effected but not the deceased.

Thing is I don't think a whole lot of people see there family lines much before European Colonization of America, Lucky to go before 1000 ad. Asia might be diffrent though.

the bulk of our work is done for people that lived in the last 400 or so years. People that lived before Christ and in Africa, American Indians and the like will have to be done during the millenium.

They been waiting a long time I think is a major go to the temple manipulation people use.

[Jacob]

What do you suppose changes in the afterlife of a dead person/spirit at the moment someone baptizes them by proxy? What negative effects might follow to such spirit being by waiting an additional year, or ten years, or hundred years for a proxy baptism?

[pellegrino]

I think temple work is fine and all, but I think the underlying reason for its emphasis has less to do with the actual work (if that were the case I think they'd be a bit more meticulous) than with the requirements for entering the temple. The temple recommend is a test of fellowship that ensures a core of believers will be living according to the standards the church sets forth, and most importantly this core will be full tithe payers. Increased temple attendance = increased tithes.

[Northwestcoug]

I think temple work is fine and all, but I think the underlying reason for its emphasis has less to do with the actual work (if that were the case I think they'd be a bit more meticulous) than with the requirements for entering the temple. The temple recommend is a test of fellowship that ensures a core of believers will be living according to the standards the church sets forth, and most importantly this core will be full tithe payers. Increased temple attendance = increased tithes.

Or make the endowment less than 2-3 hours.

Even in my most faithful temple going days I felt that temple work was more for the living than the dead. I could never wrap my head around a divine plan that made deceased people wait potentially thousands of years before they could progress in the hereafter, until someone decided to go to the temple. So I started to feel that it was more important for me to feel a connection to my ancestors by preparing their temple work, rather than any thing I did in the temple per se.

[Moliere]

Are there days in the hereafter? Time? I really don't know but I doubt it.

[RC Vikings]

The temple recommend is a test of fellowship that ensures a core of believers will be living according to the standards the church sets forth, and most importantly this core will be full tithe payers. Increased temple attendance = increased tithes.

So the blessings of the temple are a way to fill up the church's coffers?

[grapevine]

Are there days in the hereafter? Time? I really don't know but I doubt it.

I would think one event precedes another time is not measured the same way. I am sure you can visit the past and future. The righteous prophets looked forward to Christ coming and visiting them. With no sleep or eating I am sure there is nothing to reckon. You did this than that. I don't think it is all present or you can call back time.

[Northwestcoug]

Are there days in the hereafter? Time? I really don't know but I doubt it.

Ok. There might not be time, at least not how we understand it. But what about creating a plan that retards the eternal progression of 99% of the world's population only because someone hasn't gone to the temple?

[Moliere]

Ok. There might not be time, at least not how we understand it. But what about creating a plan that retards the eternal progression of 99% of the world's population only because someone hasn't gone to the temple?

Right, that's why logically coming to the conclusion that these people are sitting around waiting for us to do their work and the sooner the better is kind of...well, not logical.

[creekster]

I think temple work is fine and all, but I think the underlying reason for its emphasis has less to do with the actual work (if that were the case I think they'd be a bit more meticulous) than with the requirements for entering the temple. The temple recommend is a test of fellowship that ensures a core of believers will be living according to the standards the church sets forth, and most importantly this core will be full tithe payers. Increased temple attendance = increased tithes.

That's a very cynical view.

[creekster]

Ok. There might not be time, at least not how we understand it. But what about creating a plan that retards the eternal progression of 99% of the world's population only because someone hasn't gone to the temple?

Do you mean for the dead? retards? Not really. In the scheme of things the delay is inconsequential. Temple attendance is for us more than the dead, IMO. At least now.

[Northwestcoug]

Right, that's why logically coming to the conclusion that these people are sitting around waiting for us to do their work and the sooner the better is kind of...well, not logical.

Not logical for me or you, but the church teachings would certainly lead us to believe that is what happens.

The Apostle Peter referred to the postmortal spirit world as a prison, which it is for some (see 1 Peter 3:18–20). In the spirit prison are the spirits of those who have not yet received the gospel of Jesus Christ. These spirits have agency and may be enticed by both good and evil. If they accept the gospel and the ordinances performed for them in the temples, they may leave the spirit prison and dwell in paradise.

[Northwestcoug]

Do you mean for the dead? retards? Not really. In the scheme of things the delay is inconsequential. Temple attendance is for us more than the dead, IMO. At least now.

If we are talking about eternity from our finite point of view, then sure, it's easy for us to say the delay is inconsequential. And I can't argue otherwise. But then again, we don't know if unresurrected beings conceptualize time any different than us. Besides, they still have to reside in a place, that for all intents and purposes, is hell for them.

"Also in the spirit prison are those who rejected the gospel after it was preached to them either on earth or in the spirit prison. These spirits suffer in a condition known as hell."

[creekster]

If we are talking about eternity from our finite point of view, then sure, it's easy for us to say the delay is inconsequential. And I can't argue otherwise. But then again, we don't know if unresurrected beings conceptualize time any different than us. Besides, they still have to reside in a place, that for all intents and purposes, is hell for them.

"Also in the spirit prison are those who rejected the gospel after it was preached to them either on earth or in the spirit prison. These spirits suffer in a condition known as hell."

It is a condition known as hell, but that doesn't mean it is hell as we usually conceptualize the condition. And if compared to eternity, it is nothing. Not even the blink of an eye.

[pellegrino]

So the blessings of the temple are a way to fill up the church's coffers?

in part, yes. though that doesn't mean it is the primary reason why patrons attend the temple. Rather, I feel it's the primary reason for the emphasis of temple attendance and why every member is encouraged to hold a temple recommend, even if geography makes it impossible/difficult to attend.