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  • Church in conflict over sale of Harlem property

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/ny...et-harlem.html

    Interesting article about the church wanting to liquidate a piece of property and the local ward wanting to continue to use if for the benefit of the ward and the community. I don't have a position on this, just interesting in light of some of the discussions we have had about the extent to which resources are used locally.

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    Joseph Appiah, an immigrant from Ghana who helped found the congregation, said young people from the block joined the church and “turned their lives around,” going on to college.
    Ha, I know Joseph. He's an incredible guy and a great accountant. I think his family was also mentioned in a GC talk a couple years back. Sounds like he's doing some good back in NY.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • #3
      Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
      I don't have a position on this,
      *Banned*

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
        Ha, I know Joseph. He's an incredible guy and a great accountant. I think his family was also mentioned in a GC talk a couple years back. Sounds like he's doing some good back in NY.
        There was a fellow missionary in my mission named Joseph Appiah. I wonder if it's the same guy?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
          There was a fellow missionary in my mission named Joseph Appiah. I wonder if it's the same guy?
          Was he from Ghana? If so, I'm thinking he's the same guy.
          I'm like LeBron James.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
            There was a fellow missionary in my mission named Joseph Appiah. I wonder if it's the same guy?
            Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
            Was he from Ghana? If so, I'm thinking he's the same guy.
            The Joseph Appiah I know was black with a think Ghanan accent.
            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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            • #7
              Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
              Was he from Ghana? If so, I'm thinking he's the same guy.
              Yes. His father was a physician in Ghana. He went to BYU after his mission. I ran into him once on campus. He'd be in his early to mid 40s now.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                Yes. His father was a physician in Ghana. He went to BYU after his mission. I ran into him once on campus. He'd be in his early to mid 40s now.
                Step further, I think he was working at the MTC when I was there. I had to go to a class on British customs and the instructor was a Ghanian RM from one of the London missions. I think it was the London mission that included Colchester as my MTC comp and the instructor knew a common girl who was marrying a Fagg. The instructor did not know there was a prominent LDS family from that area named Fagg.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                  Step further, I think he was working at the MTC when I was there. I had to go to a class on British customs and the instructor was a Ghanian RM from one of the London missions. I think it was the London mission that included Colchester as my MTC comp and the instructor knew a common girl who was marrying a Fagg. The instructor did not know there was a prominent LDS family from that area named Fagg.
                  That would be England London. Colchester was my last area. The Faggs were one of the few solid families there. IIRC, Elder Appiah was one of the first Ghanaian full time missionaries. We also had two Lebanese elders that stopped their professional tennis careers to serve. It was fun tracting out Muslim neighborhoods with them. And a Palestinian Israeli too. Our mission had a rad mix of people serving there.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                    That would be England London. Colchester was my last area. The Faggs were one of the few solid families there. IIRC, Elder Appiah was one of the first Ghanaian full time missionaries. We also had two Lebanese elders that stopped their professional tennis careers to serve. It was fun tracting out Muslim neighborhoods with them. And a Palestinian Israeli too. Our mission had a rad mix of people serving there.
                    Lol. I read this as Lesbian...and it threw me for a loop.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                      That would be England London. Colchester was my last area. The Faggs were one of the few solid families there. IIRC, Elder Appiah was one of the first Ghanaian full time missionaries. We also had two Lebanese elders that stopped their professional tennis careers to serve. It was fun tracting out Muslim neighborhoods with them. And a Palestinian Israeli too. Our mission had a rad mix of people serving there.
                      Why couldn't they just all be elders instead of having to classify them?

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                      • #12
                        For the record, after the church purchased the property for the new building they discovered that the soil and groundwater on the site were severely contaminated with hazardous chemicals. They could have filed lawsuits against adjacent property owners and/or prior owners (which is what typically happens), but decided to opt out of litigation and spent millions of dollars cleaning up the site prior to constructing the building. I know some people who were involved in the cleanup.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          For the record, after the church purchased the property for the new building they discovered that the soil and groundwater on the site were severely contaminated with hazardous chemicals. They could have filed lawsuits against adjacent property owners and/or prior owners (which is what typically happens), but decided to opt out of litigation and spent millions of dollars cleaning up the site prior to constructing the building. I know some people who were involved in the cleanup.
                          There the church goes again spending millions of dollars on rich Americans when that tithing money could go to impoverished people in Tanzania
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                            There the church goes again spending millions of dollars on rich Americans when that tithing money could go to impoverished people in Tanzania
                            Probably ended up spending less money this way. You know how litigation can be: the only winners are the blood-sucking lawyers. (and I say that with all due respect)
                            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                              Probably ended up spending less money this way. You know how litigation can be: the only winners are the blood-sucking lawyers. (and I say that with all due respect)
                              And their expert-witness-for-hire engineers
                              "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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