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  • Katy Lied
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 9435

    #1

    The 2012 George Albert Smith Thread

    I've long been curious about GAS's illness that kept him from his Q12 work from 1909-1912. He had 3 lost years during midlife from age 39-42. I always thought it was systemmic lupus (Wikipedia calls it Systemic lupus erythematosus), characterized by photosensitivity, which could explain his permanently impaired eyesight, if he was unprotected from the sun as a surveyor.

    Now Peggy Fletcher Stack tells us he suffered from depression:

    ON APRIL 12, 1910, DR. HEBER J. SEARS wrote briskly to his nephew:
    “A letter from your mot her brings t he sad intelligence t hat you are down with nervous frustration. . . . For Heaven’s sake George— ‘Side step or step backward not forward.’ Cheat the asylum of a victim. Dump your responsibility for a while before the hearse dumps your bones.”

    His nephew was George Albert Smith, then a fortyyear-old apostle who was almost totally incapacitated, physically and emotionally.
    The article on page 113 here is pretty interesting; I would characterize it more as nervous exhaustion rather than depression.

    In addition to the surveying injury to his eyes, he also had an eye injury.

    Additionally, in early 1900, Smith suffered an unspecified accident to one eye, which further impaired his eyesight and which was not corrected by operations in 1901, 1902, and 1907. In later photographs, the left eye focuses outward; when his portrait appeared on the cover of Time magazine for the Church’s centennial in 1930, the errant eye was airbrushed straight.

    George Albert frequently laments his eye fatigue in his journal and correspondence. He often had to pause in writing a letter to rest his eyes. His wife, Lucy, often read his work aloud to him to spare his eyes. These diary excerpts after the third operation give some indication of his ongoing struggle:

    Dec. 4, 1907, El Paso, Texas. Eyes very weak.
    Dec. 7, 1907, Colonia Juarez, Mexico. Awoke feeling very well but
    my right eye is somewhat disabled. It pained me all day.
    Dec. 8, 1907. Awoke feeling splendid except for my eyes.
    Dec. 12, 1907. Awoke feeling well, my eyes still affected. [W]rote
    a letter to Lucy until my eyes were tired.
    Dec. 23, 1907, Salt Lake City. Awoke feeling well but my eyes were tired.
    Dec. 24, 1907. My eyes are quite weak.
    March 6, 1908. My eyes are tired.
    March 10, 1908. My eyes quite weak.
    May 14, 1908. Moab, Utah, My eyes are somewhat tired and weak.
    June 22, 1908. Salt Lake City. Awoke with tired eyes.



    George Albert’s work as an apostle was strenuous. He averaged thirty thousand miles a year as a young apostle, usually traveling by train.
  • DrumNFeather
    Invisible Swordsman
    • Nov 2008
    • 8854

    #2
    I believe that he was a prophet that was truly ahead of his time. I taught the lesson today and used parts from the first lesson "living what you believe" and his life and times and I thoroughly enjoyed reading about him.

    I think it is going to be a good year of instruction.
    "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

    Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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    • Green Monstah
      Royal Rooter
      • Aug 2010
      • 13986

      #3
      Originally posted by DrumNFeather View Post
      I believe that he was a prophet that was truly ahead of his time. I taught the lesson today and used parts from the first lesson "living what you believe" and his life and times and I thoroughly enjoyed reading about him.

      I think it is going to be a good year of instruction.
      Ive heard this manual is by far the best of the prophets manuals.
      Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

      "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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      • DrumNFeather
        Invisible Swordsman
        • Nov 2008
        • 8854

        #4
        Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
        Ive heard this manual is by far the best of the prophets manuals.
        I haven't really read the whole thing, but he just strikes as someone (and the examples are many) that truly lived his religion...and in this day and age, I think it is a great message for members of the LDS church to hear (and anyone else who will listen frankly).
        "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

        Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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        • Jeff Lebowski
          Corporate lackey for Jesus
          • Nov 2008
          • 69773

          #5
          I am so happy that we won't be using that Gospel Principles manual any more. Maybe everyone can stay awake in priesthood now. It was like a breath of fresh air today.
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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          • wuapinmon
            Soul Plumber
            • Dec 2008
            • 30711

            #6
            Last prophet with facial hair.
            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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            • Dwight Schr-ute
              Members Only
              • May 2011
              • 4917

              #7
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              I am so happy that we won't be using that Gospel Principles manual any more. Maybe everyone can stay awake in priesthood now. It was like a breath of fresh air today.
              As a ward missionary, I have to agree with you. Sitting through Gospel Essentials only to go to priesthood meeting and have a lesson out of the same book, sometimes the same lesson, was exhausting.

              Although today did remind me that we may be back to, "Can someone read the next paragraph please?" "Any comments on that? No? Okay, can I have a volunteer read the next paragraph?"

              I love to teach. I can't for the life of me understand why so many people don't want to put any effort into it.
              I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.

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              • Indy Coug
                Heartless Bastard
                • Dec 2008
                • 18747

                #8
                Originally posted by Dwight Schr-ute View Post
                As a ward missionary, I have to agree with you. Sitting through Gospel Essentials only to go to priesthood meeting and have a lesson out of the same book, sometimes the same lesson, was exhausting.

                Although today did remind me that we may be back to, "Can someone read the next paragraph please?" "Any comments on that? No? Okay, can I have a volunteer read the next paragraph?"

                I love to teach. I can't for the life of me understand why so many people don't want to put any effort into it.
                It would have been good if someone had combined this talk with Lesson 1.

                May your efforts to develop Christlike attributes be successful so that His image may be engraven in your countenance and His attributes manifest in your behavior.
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                • Sullyute
                  a day late/a dollar short
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 3308

                  #9
                  We had the first lesson yesterday too. We went over his list of personal creeds. My interest was piqued when we hit this one:
                  “I would avoid the publicity of high positions and discourage the flattery of thoughtless friends.
                  I asked what the teacher/class thoguht was meant by this since GAS was already in high positions as an apostle? A quick answer was given that he didn't aspire to these callings and then we moved on. I think that was a good anwser but I wish we would have talked more about it instead of just moving on.

                  Here are a few of the multiple high positions that he held per the manual:

                  - President of the LDS Church
                  - President of the Society for the Aid of the Sightless in Utah.
                  - Vice president of the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution
                  - President of Utah Pioneer Trails and Landmarks Association
                  - President or director of dozens of Church owned and Utah based businesses and organizations (per Mormon Origins: Extension of Power, but don't have the list in front of me).

                  So my question to CUF is what did GAS actually mean by this particular creed? Did he succeed in avoiding publicity, high position, both, neither?
                  "Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.

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                  • Indy Coug
                    Heartless Bastard
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 18747

                    #10
                    If reference to GAS not desiring a lofty position, someone pointed out yesterday (I haven't verified if this is true or not) that when he was called as an Apostle he wasn't even present for the call and that he was busy taking his kids to the fair or something like that instead.
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                    • Jeff Lebowski
                      Corporate lackey for Jesus
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 69773

                      #11
                      I thought the intro lesson was good yesterday, but there is something about these intro lessons in the "Teachings of <INSERT PROPHET NAME>" that strikes me as odd. We get all these personal stories of little encounters (GAS meeting the man without a warm coat outside the church office building, SWK helping a lady with small kids at the airport, etc) where the prophet does some act of kindness. While these are nice stories, it seems odd that we attach these stories to a particular person. Doing so seems to cheapen the story, as if the main objective was to make a public show of piety. Seems to be more about hero worship as much as anything else.

                      Anyone else get that vibe?
                      Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 01-09-2012, 01:11 PM.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                      • Indy Coug
                        Heartless Bastard
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 18747

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        I thought the intro lesson was good yesterday, but there is something about these intro lessons in the "Teachings of <INSERT PROPHET NAME>" that strikes me as odd. We get all these personal stories of little encounters (HJG meeting the man without a warm coat outside the church office building, SWK helping a lady with small kids at the airport, etc) where the prophet does some act of kindness. While these are nice stories, it seems odd that we attach these stories to a particular person. Doing so seems to cheapen the story, as if the main objective was to make a public show of piety. Seems to be more about hero worship as much as anything else.

                        Anyone else get that vibe?
                        I think it's a difficult line to draw when you're trying to demonstrate that they lived the Gospel rather than merely handing down edicts from on high.
                        Everything in life is an approximation.

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                        • DrumNFeather
                          Invisible Swordsman
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 8854

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                          If reference to GAS not desiring a lofty position, someone pointed out yesterday (I haven't verified if this is true or not) that when he was called as an Apostle he wasn't even present for the call and that he was busy taking his kids to the fair or something like that instead.
                          I think he had to work or something and couldn't make it to conference. When he got home, people were waiting for him to congratulate him on his call as the newest apostle.

                          In hindsight, I should've told my class that I would happily wait on their lawn to congratulate them over a high calling if it meant I'd missed it!
                          "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                          Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                          • kccougar
                            9262
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 7020

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                            If reference to GAS not desiring a lofty position, someone pointed out yesterday (I haven't verified if this is true or not) that when he was called as an Apostle he wasn't even present for the call and that he was busy taking his kids to the fair or something like that instead.
                            That story is included in the introductory chapter of the manual. He couldn't get away from work on the day of the conference (held on Tuesday). He left work intending to go home and take his daughters to the fair and when he got home found a neighbor or friend there congratulating him on his call. He denied it and said that she must be mistaken. Later several more people showed up and convinced him that the news was true. He still took his daughters to the fair.
                            "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV

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                            • Indy Coug
                              Heartless Bastard
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 18747

                              #15
                              Originally posted by kccougar View Post
                              That story is included in the introductory chapter of the manual. He couldn't get away from work on the day of the conference (held on Tuesday). He left work intending to go home and take his daughters to the fair and when he got home found a neighbor or friend there congratulating him on his call. He denied it and said that she must be mistaken. Later several more people showed up and convinced him that the news was true. He still took his daughters to the fair.
                              This highlights the fact that I haven't read one bit of the new manual.
                              Everything in life is an approximation.

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