Huge Blow Up in Quorum Meeting

[NorthwestUteFan]

What does this nation need to be saved from? If anything, it is Harry Reid...

It was a rhetorical question. Insert any Democrat into the same question: Jim Matheson, Tom Udall (NM), Leonard Boswell (Iowa), Eli Faleomaveaga from Samoa, etc. (thanks Google)

[Jeff Lebowski]

There are many people, likely including people on this forum, who will admit to believing the 'White Horse Prophecy", wherein people will be murdered on the steps of the temple, the US Constitution will be hanging by a thread, and a Mormon will save the nation. Was that revelation ever canonized? Is it recognized today?

Rhetorical question: How many people who believe this prophecy and think it applies to Mitt Romney, would be stunned to see Harry Reid save the nation? (hat tip to Uncle Ted)

[Green Monstah]

There are many people, likely including people on this forum, who will admit to believing the 'White Horse Prophecy", wherein people will be murdered on the steps of the temple, the US Constitution will be hanging by a thread, and a Mormon will save the nation. Was that revelation ever canonized? Is it recognized today?

Rhetorical question: How many people who believe this prophecy and think it applies to Mitt Romney, would be stunned to see Harry Reid save the nation? (hat tip to Uncle Ted)

Really? People on CUF? I guess IndyCoug is back, so......

[Uncle Ted]

There are many people, likely including people on this forum, who will admit to believing the 'White Horse Prophecy", wherein people will be murdered on the steps of the temple, the US Constitution will be hanging by a thread, and a Mormon will save the nation. Was that revelation ever canonized? Is it recognized today?

Rhetorical question: How many people who believe this prophecy and think it applies to Mitt Romney, would be stunned to see Harry Reid save the nation? (hat tip to Uncle Ted)

What does this nation need to be saved from? If anything, it is Harry Reid...

[NorthwestUteFan]

Someone once was told to stick to the scriptures. There are some High Priests that know all the answers it seems like. They just happen to beleive every Legend out there as gospel fact.

There are many people, likely including people on this forum, who will admit to believing the 'White Horse Prophecy", wherein people will be murdered on the steps of the temple, the US Constitution will be hanging by a thread, and a Mormon will save the nation. Was that revelation ever canonized? Is it recognized today?

Rhetorical question: How many people who believe this prophecy and think it applies to Mitt Romney, would be stunned to see Harry Reid save the nation? (hat tip to Uncle Ted)

[grapevine]

There are some people that seek to teach the gospel lessons and have all kinds of weird ideas. Try to keep them from teaching. I mentioned once the legend that Shem and Melchezedik were the same person and someone matter of factly said they weren't since Melchezedik was translated. Were does it say Shem wasn't.

Then went off on how when the Ten Tribes return they will bring there scriptures. Legends about that. They will be restored are not hiding and we will have there record? Did the Lamanites bring us the Book of Mormon are did we take it to them. Revelation comes through appropriate channels.

Someone once was told to stick to the scriptures. There are some High Priests that know all the answers it seems like. They just happen to beleive every Legend out there as gospel fact.

[falafel]

Split the quorums. The EQ is an independent quorum and its president holds keys (unlike the HPGL). No reason for the elders to be under the high priests' thumbs.

I wondered about this. Can the Bishop force the two groups to meet together?

We have a pretty small HP quorum in our ward. Probably only 4 or 5 active HPs (young ward + many of our other HPs are in stake callings that take them out of the ward). The two quorums meet together, except for a new change where the first Sunday of the month when they meet as separate quorums. I think the EQP and HPGL ran this new arrangement by the Bishop, but I think it was more of a "this is our plan" sort of or comment.

I would assume the EQP would have enough authority to make a change and meet separately if he felt it would help he and the Elders to fulfill their priesthood duties.

[Uncle Ted]

Split the quorums. The EQ is an independent quorum and its president holds keys (unlike the HPGL). No reason for the elders to be under the high priests' thumbs.

Yeah, have your EQP tell those HP's to STFU until their president cares enough to show up to the meeting.

[Uncle Ted]

That quote doesn't count because Hugh B Brown was a Democrat.

Let's not pull political parties into this. There are too many quotes from well know republican church leaders (e.g. Benson) that can be used here. Besides old-school Democrats were pretty much Libertarians anyways.

and a CANADIAN!

OK, you have a point.

[Green Monstah]

Split the quorums. The EQ is an independent quorum and its president holds keys (unlike the HPGL). No reason for the elders to be under the high priests' thumbs.

This is very true. For some reason, I've been thinking a lot about this today.

I was in a ward where a similar situation occurred over the SP's plea for donations to stop some Indian gaming initiatives in the area. An older elder spoke up and questioned whether this was appropriate conversation for priesthood and a bunch of HPs lit into him (there was history there).

This poor guy was polite in his question and the strong response was not merited. The elder didn't come to church for about six weeks (which was even more tricky, since he was an employee at a church university). Luckily, the bishop was once wise dude and didn't go on a witch hunt.

Anyhow, the situation seemed touch n' go for a while, and I hate it when we Mormons turn on each other over a difference of opinion.

[LA Ute]

Split the quorums. The EQ is an independent quorum and its president holds keys (unlike the HPGL). No reason for the elders to be under the high priests' thumbs.

[Blueintheface]

Wow.

The most brutal year and a half ever. I have never been a fan of home teaching and that experience didn't help.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The bishop agreed to lower our HT to only 8 families for each companionship, ...

Wow.

[Blueintheface]

SIQ, this is a perfect time to suggest a move to seperate classrooms. I was EQ Pres in a ward very similar to yours and despite 4-6 active Elders, most of whom were UofU students living with parents only temporarily, we met seperately and tried our very best to fulfill our responsibilities.

For whatever reason there is a disconnect between the groups and pride is the most common ingredient. In our ward they resented our inability to home teach the 80 or so families assigned to our group and we resented the fact that we were dismissed from most discussions. The bishop agreed to lower our HT to only 8 families for each companionship, still too many, and the HP took the rest.

The HP also truly felt the scriptures were lost on the young. When we did infrequently meet together there were often "harumphs" from the older crowd on modern interpretation of scripture or the ever popular "ours is not to question why" response. I even felt they thought we weren't fully invested in church for using electronic devices for our scriptures. Weird modern dynamic but I think it's a true divider.

[NorthwestUteFan]

Why are you complaining? At least it wasn't boring