Being gay and Mormon.

[HauteCoug]

That's not fair. SU is clearly the Ute version of DDD -- give Triples his due. DDD = Radiohead, SU = Coldplay/Travis/Muse/all other imitators.

Ever been to a Muse concert? Muse and Coldplay should not be considered on the same level. At all.

p.s. The Smith's >>>>> all of the above.

[HauteCoug]

Bullshit. I'm in a loving platonic relationship and active in the church. I hope to live with my handsome companion for the rest of my life, and I vow to remain faithful to the God that personal revelation has shewn me to be a living Being. Y'all have to consider the power of personal testimony, which is so vital to being LDS. It doesn't explain anything to have a personal testimony, but it gives me foundation of faith on which to stand, however unsteadily. There is also the emotional connection that comes from being raised LDS and needing, potently, to be a member of the club. There are so many components to being LDS.

I have to come to terms with what I think of as God's homophobia. When I was interviewed for FAR BETWEEN, the forthcoming documentary on queer Mormons, and I told my interviewer that I see God as homophobic, he looked shocked. When I expressed this same view to my Bishop, he became almost emotional in refuting it. So I have to reconsider this idea, personally. I see very little that is queer-embracing in the Plan of Salvation. It seems designed for heterosexuals alone. But I am still clueless about much in the Gospel. I don't mind yet having a lot of learn.

Y'all are a wonderful university of ideas, information and passion. Kisses.

This entire comment is SO interesting to me. I feel like there's no possible way that the God I know exists doesn't have a part of the plan that enables gay individuals to have love and happiness as well. I guess I'm hoping that answers will materialize. Does that make me naive?

I know I'm clearly not his type. Straight, fan of D-cupped, thin, blonde-haired, blue eyed women who are frequently mistaken for Elisabeth Shue (other than the blue eyes, that's pretty close).

That said, our kind love gay people. Hell, my sister has almost married a couple.

ONE VIKING. ONE guy was/is gay. The others were just... assholes and boring. Damn, I have bad taste in men. This is how I feel these days

[Shaka]

Ever been to a Muse concert? Muse and Coldplay should not be considered on the same level. At all.

p.s. The Smith's >>>>> all of the above.

I've seen all of them. The one Muse show and two Coldplay shows I've attended were fantastic.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Hottie, why did you post that twice?

I fixed your link in the first post. Just click on the image icon in the editor and paste the URL for your image. Then it will show up in its full glory in your post.

[HauteCoug]

I've seen all of them. The one Muse show and two Coldplay shows I've attended were fantastic.

Muse rivals only Rush in concert. Coldplay? Chris Martin can't sing on key to save his life, but the energy can be fun. I've never seen The Smith's in concert... I mean... I'm not that old...

[HauteCoug]

Hottie, why did you post that twice?

I fixed your link in the first post. Just click on the image icon in the editor and paste the URL for your image. Then it will show up in its full glory in your post.

I didn't mean to. For a second I thought I hadn't posted it - thanks. Still learning the ropes. I'm a text -only kinda girl; all this fancy schmancy in text photo business is beyond my mediocre capabilities.

[lambdacoug]

Muse rivals only Rush in concert. Coldplay? Chris Martin can't sing on key to save his life, but the energy can be fun. I've never seen The Smith's in concert... I mean... I'm not that old...

Wow, a debate on the merits of Rush vs Coldplay. Give me GNR, Metallica, CCR, Staind and any number of other bands instead. Thank you.

[SuperGabers]

Do Not Do This Hottie

I didn't mean to. For a second I thought I hadn't posted it - thanks. Still learning the ropes. I'm a text -only kinda girl; all this fancy schmancy in text photo business is beyond my mediocre capabilities.

Well, at least you have already learned not to post a title in an existing thread...

[Shaka]

Muse rivals only Rush in concert. Coldplay? Chris Martin can't sing on key to save his life, but the energy can be fun. I've never seen The Smith's in concert... I mean... I'm not that old...

Sorry, I meant Muse, Coldplay, and Radiohead. Smiths didn't figure into my musical thinking until long after their heyday.

[HauteCoug]

Wow, a debate on the merits of Rush vs Coldplay. Give me GNR, Metallica, CCR, Staind and any number of other bands instead. Thank you.

Really? Staind? REALLY? The first three are completely negated by that final inclusion. Ick.

[hopfrog]

I'm glad you can manage the divide between you and what teh gospel says. In my experience, a disproportionate amount of the exmormon community is gay, which suggests you are the exception. If I were a believing man, I could not fathom the idea of loving a god that is homophobic, as you put it. I'm not though, nor am I gay, but I'll fight for what is just. And that is not the mormon church's take on homosexuality.

My dad was homophobic up the arse, but I loved him. I didn't respect with his bigotry, and I get pissed at the idea that God created me queer and then said, "Oh, by the way, it's My Way or nothing." I get my tits in a twist just thinking about it all. So I try to keep it simple and be totally myself, a queer punk transvestite returned missionary. It ain't easy, but it sure as hell ain't boring.

[hopfrog]

interesting Hopfrog. Athiestcoug should have said a loving, sexually intimate relationship. Platonic love is available for all. Is that enough? Should it be enough? Heterosexuals can hope for more, but LGBT members cannot. How does your platonic partner feel about your limits on the relationship you share? Does he also pledge to be celibate? He is ok with your choice and your restrictions on your relationship? If the answer is yes, then you are truly more rare than a gay mormon. You are 0.001% of the 10% (yeah yeah I know lots of people here don't believe 10%).

If the answer is that your partner is ok with your platonic relationship, but he does not pledge to be celibate, and will have fulfillment of sexual intimacy with others, then you are a very unique and understanding man.

Do you really feel no sense of loss knowing that the religion you adhere to has no inclusion of this important piece of human intimacy for you? I know you have said in the past that you have been down sexual paths that have brought you pain and unhappiness, but loving sexual intimacy with an equally committed partner is not this unhappy path whether it be homosexual or hetersexual. Giving this up seems sad to me, but as long as you find happiness in it then that is all that matters for you...your partner is another story though.

These are personal questions and you don't need to feel compelled to answer, but I am curious what your response would be.

It seems as if you are such a rare exceptoion to the rule that it isn't really the example others can follow. Very punk rock and very cool but not realistic.

My boyfriend loves sex and so he's on Craig's List a lot looking for dates. I encourage him to do so. My decision to be celibate came after I spent three months working the streets as a male whore, an experience that put me off sex forever. It's my own personal decision. Cris and I have a solid loving relationship, but it is entirely non-physical, I have never kissed him. Yet the love is intense, just as much so as my testimony of the Restored Gospel.

I know that I am an extremely freakish case and far removed from the normal gay Mormon experience. I always insist that I represent myself alone. I think my profile photo of me in Boy George drag wearing me Joseph Smith/Ensign tee is fully representative. She's one weird girl, that Queen.

[EuropeanFootballMale]

Thats fine with me. Most of the Beatles are dead.

Here comes a 50% isn't most rumble. I can't wait!!

[HauteCoug]

Here comes a 50% isn't most rumble. I can't wait!!

Ringo doesn't count.

[hostile]

Ringo doesn't count.

What about Clarence, the 5th Beatle?