Temple question

[RC Vikings]

My mother works at the Rexburg temple and was telling me they have a lot of girls come up and do BFTD because they are not endowed yet but not many guys because they go through a session. Why must it be a male doing work for a male and a female for a female? Since it is proxy work why does matching genders matter?

[Maximus]

Because different things are said depending on the gender.

[taekwondave]

Because different things are said depending on the gender.

Bingo.

[old_gregg]

Rcv just wants in to the women's locker room

[Sullyute]

Well if you think back to just a few years ago about how things were done in the washing and annoitings. Do you want some creepy old guy touching your daughter? I can understand why they want to keep the genders seperate for the ordinances.

Also it might give woman too many ideas if they were allowed to sit in proxy for a deceased male receiving the priesthood (summon rosebud).

[taekwondave]

Well if you think back to just a few years ago about how things were done in the washing and annoitings. Do you want some creepy old guy touching your daughter? I can understand why they want to keep the genders seperate for the ordinances.

Also it might give woman too many ideas if they were allowed to sit in proxy for a deceased male receiving the priesthood (summon rosebud).

Oh yeah! (Sorry, I was looking for an appropriate emoticon to express how I felt about your post and I came across this one and forgot what I was doing. Family Guy flashback.)

[falafel]

Oh yeah! (Sorry, I was looking for an appropriate emoticon to express how I felt about your post and I came across this one and forgot what I was doing. Family Guy flashback.)

Does your fiancee know you watch Family Guy and dream of getting drunk? I might have to make the trip to Utah for your reception.

[Joe Public]

I read RCV's post as asking specifically about baptisms for the dead. If that is so, then the subsequent comments don't seem to apply. The words for the ordinance are the same regardless of gender, and a man performs the baptism whether the proxy is a man or a woman. Maybe I misunderstood the intent of the original post.

[Sullyute]

I read RCV's post as asking specifically about baptisms for the dead. If that is so, then the subsequent comments don't seem to apply. The words for the ordinance are the same regardless of gender, and a man performs the baptism whether the proxy is a man or a woman. Maybe I misunderstood the intent of the original post.

I think that my original comments still apply. I don't think the actual words of the ordinance are the issue, the issue, in my eyes, is that if you allow females to be baptized as proxy for males, then why stop with baptisim? Why not allow females to do proxy for males in all ordinances, and vice versa? Also how do you think it would look for two guys or two girls acting as proxy for sealing of couples? That is just a slippery slope the Church doesn't want to go down.

On a side note: If you have a bunch of attractive college co-eds getting soaking wet while wearing whtie clothing, and you can get guys to participate, then maybe there is a bigger issue going on.

[grapevine]

I remember thinking just before I received my mission call doing baptisms that this was the last time I would do proxy for baptisms in the temple. I was wrong though. I have been proxy several times for baptisms since being endowed. Thing is there needs to be enough men to go through for baptisms.

I have invited men and women to go to the temple in IF before and if it was just rms all we could do was be the workers. Occasionally someone not yet on mission would get recomment to come. But good idea to make sure when college kids do baptisms there is enough men for proxy as well.

[The Rambam]

Transgender Proxy Ordinances

According to Susan Easton Black (author of the Annotated Records of Baptisms for the Dead, Nauvoo) the very first baptism for the dead in this dispensation was a woman being baptized for her deceased father.

At the funeral of Seymour Brunson in August of 1840, where Joseph introduced the doctrine for the first time, a recent convert and recent arrival to Nauvoo was moved and touched. Her father had recently died and had wanted to join his daughter and be baptized into the Chruch, but health and his death prevented it. She grabbed a priesthood holder and marched down to the river and was baptized for her departed father.

I have forgotten the name of the man and his daughter, but ask Mrs. Black when she next crosses your path and she'll tell you.

There is no doctrinal problem with transgender proxy ordinances for the dead. It is a correlated cultural phobia, pure and simple. Like our aversion to women praying in conference or wearing anything other than a white shirt.

[RobinFinderson]

According to Susan Easton Black (author of the Annotated Records of Baptisms for the Dead, Nauvoo) the very first baptism for the dead in this dispensation was a woman being baptized for her deceased father.

At the funeral of Seymour Brunson in August of 1840, where Joseph introduced the doctrine for the first time, a recent convert and recent arrival to Nauvoo was moved and touched. Her father had recently died and had wanted to join his daughter and be baptized into the Chruch, but health and his death prevented it. She grabbed a priesthood holder and marched down to the river and was baptized for her departed father.

I have forgotten the name of the man and his daughter, but ask Mrs. Black when she next crosses your path and she'll tell you.

There is no doctrinal problem with transgender proxy ordinances for the dead. It is a correlated cultural phobia, pure and simple. Like our aversion to women praying in conference or wearing anything other than a white shirt.

Welcome! Please kick up your feet and make yourself comfortable. You have been missed.

[pellegrino]

According to Susan Easton Black (author of the Annotated Records of Baptisms for the Dead, Nauvoo) the very first baptism for the dead in this dispensation was a woman being baptized for her deceased father.

At the funeral of Seymour Brunson in August of 1840, where Joseph introduced the doctrine for the first time, a recent convert and recent arrival to Nauvoo was moved and touched. Her father had recently died and had wanted to join his daughter and be baptized into the Chruch, but health and his death prevented it. She grabbed a priesthood holder and marched down to the river and was baptized for her departed father.

I have forgotten the name of the man and his daughter, but ask Mrs. Black when she next crosses your path and she'll tell you.

There is no doctrinal problem with transgender proxy ordinances for the dead. It is a correlated cultural phobia, pure and simple. Like our aversion to women praying in conference or wearing anything other than a white shirt.

not a bad return post.

[wuapinmon]

A fellow Maimonides fan, I see.

[UtahDan]

Good to see you back Rambam! Don't be a stranger.