Look at Joseph's WORDS, not the pictures.

[Byu4eva]

Why do all you critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham always bitch about the drawings and ignore the actual WORDS that Joseph translated from the scroll? Look at the WORDS not the pictures!

[wuapinmon]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

[RC Vikings]

I always enjoy lookings at the pictures more than I do reading.

[Jacob]

Why do all you critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham always bitch about the drawings and ignore the actual WORDS that Joseph translated from the scroll? Look at the WORDS not the pictures!

I thought the scrolls didn't exist anymore. We can't look at the words.

[woot]

Why do all you critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham always bitch about the drawings and ignore the actual WORDS that Joseph translated from the scroll? Look at the WORDS not the pictures!

Because we know he didn't actually translate any of those words from the scroll? Not sure what you're responding to so sorry if I missed the point.

[byu71]

Why do all you critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham always bitch about the drawings and ignore the actual WORDS that Joseph translated from the scroll? Look at the WORDS not the pictures!

I am with you. It isn't like you are looking at Playboy magazine.

[DapperDan]

Why do all you critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham always bitch about the drawings and ignore the actual WORDS that Joseph translated from the scroll? Look at the WORDS not the pictures!

[Pheidippides]

I thought the scrolls didn't exist anymore. We can't look at the words.

Oh, they do, but that's a topic for another thread.

[jay santos]

Oh, they do, but that's a topic for another thread.

Right, they do exist. Jacob, what do you mean they don't exist?

[Jacob]

Right, they do exist. Jacob, what do you mean they don't exist?

The actual scrolls that Joseph used? I know there are funerary scrolls, but I thought the scrolls Joesph had were either burned or lost.

[jay santos]

The actual scrolls that Joseph used? I know there are funerary scrolls, but I thought the scrolls Joesph had were either burned or lost.

I believe LDS scholars acknowledge the scrolls that were found are the same scrolls Joseph used. The only issue being that pieces are missing and it's not complete.

I don't think there are any reputable LDS scholars left that still maintain that Joseph was using ancient scrolls. The apologist argument has moved to a different angle.

[CardiacCoug]

Why do all you critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham always bitch about the drawings and ignore the actual WORDS that Joseph translated from the scroll? Look at the WORDS not the pictures!

Is this some kind of joke?

Why don't you read a little more about this. The papyri written "by the hand" of Abraham is not even from remotely the same era as Abraham. It's off by some 2000 years -- pretty much like saying something written today was written by Jesus Christ.

Here is where the FAIR people are taking the argument these days because there is no possible way to consider any part of the Book of Abraham any sort of translation whatsoever:

An example of what I am talking about is the recent discovery of the papyrus scrolls from which Joseph Smith was presumed to have translated the book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price. Modern scholars, looking at the scrolls, found nothing they considered to be similar to that book. I remarked at the time that such a finding didn't bother me in the least. God doesn't need a crib sheet in the form of a papyrus scroll to reveal Abraham's thoughts and words to Joseph Smith, with any degree of precision He considers necessary for His purposes. If the only function of the scrolls was to awaken the Prophet to the idea of receiving such inspiration, they would have fulfilled their purpose.

Henry Eyring

[SteelBlue]

The actual scrolls that Joseph used? I know there are funerary scrolls, but I thought the scrolls Joesph had were either burned or lost.

They were thought lost in the Chicago fire, but parts found in MMoA in NY in the 60's.

[scottie]

Why do all you critics of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham always bitch about the drawings and ignore the actual WORDS that Joseph translated from the scroll? Look at the WORDS not the pictures!

Check out this CUF thread: http://cougaruteforum.com/showthread.php?t=8748

[LA Ute]

Is this some kind of joke?

Why don't you read a little more about this. The papyri written "by the hand" of Abraham is not even from remotely the same era as Abraham. It's off by some 2000 years -- pretty much like saying something written today was written by Jesus Christ.

Here is where the FAIR people are taking the argument these days because there is no possible way to consider any part of the Book of Abraham any sort of translation whatsoever:

Henry Eyring was with FAIR?