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  • LA Ute
    Receiver of Memory
    • Nov 2008
    • 19512

    #1

    How many authors does the Bible have?

    Israeli software has some very interesting applications:

    The new software analyzes style and word choices to distinguish parts of a single text written by different authors, and when applied to the Bible its algorithm teased out distinct writerly voices in the holy book.
    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
    ― W.H. Auden


    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


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    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery
  • Jacob
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 6801

    #2
    That's very interesting. Now we can find out whether that terrorist really ghost-wrote Obamas book

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    • DapperDan
      Whut?
      • Mar 2010
      • 1132

      #3
      Fascinating.

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      • DapperDan
        Whut?
        • Mar 2010
        • 1132

        #4
        I wonder what this software would say about the BoM, D&C, and PoGP. I also wonder how many authors we should expect there to be.

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        • woot
          Resident Science Cop
          • Nov 2008
          • 5531

          #5
          Originally posted by DapperDan View Post
          I wonder what this software would say about the BoM, D&C, and PoGP. I also wonder how many authors we should expect there to be.
          One of the FARMS books that I read had a similar analysis and found that the authorship of the various BoM books was distinct in the all the ways one would expect if it were a completely authentic record written in just the way it describes.

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          • SeattleUte
            Faith crisis consultant
            • Nov 2008
            • 20837

            #6
            It's not news that the Bible has many authors.
            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

            --Jonathan Swift

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            • LA Ute
              Receiver of Memory
              • Nov 2008
              • 19512

              #7
              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
              It's not news that the Bible has many authors.
              There you go again, bursting my bubble.
              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
              ― W.H. Auden


              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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              • DapperDan
                Whut?
                • Mar 2010
                • 1132

                #8
                Originally posted by DapperDan View Post
                I wonder what this software would say about the BoM, D&C, and PoGP. I also wonder how many authors we should expect there to be.
                This may not be knew to the learned group here, but I stumbled on to a 2008 study done by a group at Stanford, primarily Matthew Jockers, on BoM authorship. They used some fancy schmancy method that was developed to determine cancer types and analyzed the author likelihood of different BoM chapters to a pool of candidate authors, Rigdon, Pratt, Spalding, Cowdrey, & Isaiah-Malachi (KJV), along with two control authors from that era with BoM-ish writing styles.

                The results:
                Rigdon is either the first or second most probable candidate author in 197 out of 239 chapters; Spalding is either the first or second most likely candidate in 110 out of 239 chapters; and Isaiah-Malachi is first or second in 101 chapters. Cowdery appears thirty-seven times in first or second place and Pratt appears twenty-four times.
                Overall only ten chapters lack a signal for Rigdon or Spalding in one of the two most probable positions and four of these ten chapters are chapters known to be derived from the Book of Isaiah, as discussed below. In other words, of the 239 chapters in the Book of Mormon, 229 show either the Rigdon or Spalding signal prominently. Together Rigdon and Spalding receive 64% of the combined first and second place assignments, Isaiah-Malachi receives 21% and other candidates or control-authors receive 15% (figure 3).
                The authors also point out that Rigdon and Spalding's "signals" are lacking in the "116 pages" and that Spalding is very strong in Alma.

                The pre-print version is free if anyone is interested in reading it. http://www.stanford.edu/~mjockers/pu...ntReassess.pdf

                Oh, forgot to mention that JS was left out as a possible author because there aren't enough text samples of his writings to use. Turns out too many of his "writings" were dictated or both written by both JS and scribes in the same document. They did a follow-up study that confirmed they didn't have enough original material to include him in their previous study. The pre-print is also available online: http://www.stanford.edu/~mjockers/cg...drupal/node/41

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                • LA Ute
                  Receiver of Memory
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19512

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DapperDan View Post
                  This may not be knew to the learned group here, but I stumbled on to a 2008 study done by a group at Stanford, primarily Matthew Jockers, on BoM authorship. They used some fancy schmancy method that was developed to determine cancer types and analyzed the author likelihood of different BoM chapters to a pool of candidate authors, Rigdon, Pratt, Spalding, Cowdrey, & Isaiah-Malachi (KJV), along with two control authors from that era with BoM-ish writing styles.

                  The results:

                  The authors also point out that Rigdon and Spalding's "signals" are lacking in the "116 pages" and that Spalding is very strong in Alma.

                  The pre-print version is free if anyone is interested in reading it. http://www.stanford.edu/~mjockers/pu...ntReassess.pdf

                  Oh, forgot to mention that JS was left out as a possible author because there aren't enough text samples of his writings to use. Turns out too many of his "writings" were dictated or both written by both JS and scribes in the same document. They did a follow-up study that confirmed they didn't have enough original material to include him in their previous study. The pre-print is also available online: http://www.stanford.edu/~mjockers/cg...drupal/node/41
                  I sense a new theory may be developing: Rigdon, Spalding and Cowdrey all conspired together to write the BofM. Or maybe Joseph simply dictated it to them. My problem is that The Book of Spalding just doesn't have the same ring to it as The Book of Alma.
                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden


                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • Moliere
                    One man.....one pie
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 27820

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DapperDan View Post
                    The authors also point out that Rigdon and Spalding's "signals" are lacking in the "116 pages" and that Spalding is very strong in Alma.
                    they found them?!?!?!
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • Moliere
                      One man.....one pie
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 27820

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                      I sense a new theory may be developing: Rigdon, Spalding and Cowdrey all conspired together to write the BofM. Or maybe Joseph simply dictated it to them. My problem is that The Book of Spalding just doesn't have the same ring to it as The Book of Alma.
                      True, but there could be a connection between the book of spa[u]lding and the presence of basket ball courts in almost all meetinghouses.
                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • DapperDan
                        Whut?
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 1132

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                        they found them?!?!?!
                        No, the replacements for the lost pages don't contain many of Rigdon or Spalding's "signals". They said they have some thematic similarities to View of the Hebrews, but they didn't include the author as one of the candidates.

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                        • DapperDan
                          Whut?
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 1132

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                          I sense a new theory may be developing: Rigdon, Spalding and Cowdrey all conspired together to write the BofM. Or maybe Joseph simply dictated it to them. My problem is that The Book of Spalding just doesn't have the same ring to it as The Book of Alma.
                          They felt Cowdrey's contributions were mostly in his editing.

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                          • UtahDan
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                            • Nov 2008
                            • 14496

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                            I sense a new theory may be developing: Rigdon, Spalding and Cowdrey all conspired together to write the BofM. Or maybe Joseph simply dictated it to them. My problem is that The Book of Spalding just doesn't have the same ring to it as The Book of Alma.
                            I don't think anyone says Spaulding assisted. I think the work that Craig Criddle and others had done suggests that Rigdon had access to a copy of Manuscript Found. I don't think we'll ever know.

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                            • LA Ute
                              Receiver of Memory
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 19512

                              #15
                              Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                              I don't think anyone says Spaulding assisted. I think the work that Craig Criddle and others had done suggests that Rigdon had access to a copy of Manuscript Found. I don't think we'll ever know.

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                              I be teasing.

                              Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                              True, but there could be a connection between the book of spa[u]lding and the presence of basket ball courts in almost all meetinghouses.
                              Insights like this keep me coming back to this board.
                              Last edited by LA Ute; 07-21-2011, 12:09 PM.
                              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                              ― W.H. Auden


                              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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