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  • wuapinmon
    Soul Plumber
    • Dec 2008
    • 30711

    #1

    Help editing an abstract about Judas actually being God

    So, Hofstra Univ. is hosting a Borges conference next November, and abstracts are due on Friday. I'm trying to condense 100 pages of my dissertation into a 2-page abstract. As I've been working with this same material for seven years, it all makes sense to me, and I've damned-near got these sentences memorized.

    If anyone feels up to reading this and seeing if it makes sense to an educated non-specialist, I'd be grateful. I can't bring myself to write it from scratch, as I just wind up typing the same sentences I've already written. I know that there are some redundancies, but if you've ever written anything like this, you know how hard it is to have any kind of distance between you and your words. I'm not looking for critique of the ideas here, so much as grammar, redundancy, fluidity, clarity, voice, and so on.

    If you want to know more, read the whole story and I'll email you the 100-page chapter about it.

    “Tres versiones de Judas” purports to share a theological treatise about the work of Nils Runeberg, a fictional Swedish theologian, concerning the relationship between Judas and God. Over time, Runeberg elaborates a theory of Judas’s true nature that suffers two evolutions until arriving at his final theory that Judas was God. The “Three Versions” then are not three separate versions of Judas per se, but the changes in Runeberg’s theory as he formulates it and reveals God’s secret--ultimately leading to his own demise at the hands of a wrathful God. My examination of the story will not focus solely on the differences between the evolving versions of Judas but on the overall effect that these ideas have on the final goal of Runeberg’s theory, situating each version of Judas in the several notions of Judeo-Christian free will reconciliation for comparison.

    Runeberg’s reasoning suggests that if the salvation of the world and the fulfillment of prophecy hinged on the betrayal and sacrifice of Jesus, and his sacrifice in turn depended on the greed, corruption and/or political intrigue of Judas to cause his death, then Judas did not have free will because Judas’ betrayal of Christ was so essential to God that he would have ensured that Judas betrayed him. This problem brings into plain view the nature of predestination versus foreordination. According to standard logic, if God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, he should have foreknowledge of how each of his creations will act in any given situation or circumstance. This essentially means that the book of each person’s life has already been written (resting on a shelf somewhere in the Library of Babel) and that we are merely automatons living out the pre-programmed plot of a divinely-authored plan.

    In the story, the narrator takes the central redeeming figure of Christianity and juxtaposes him with the single most reviled figure in all of Christendom. The narrator never claims that the Christian God does not exist and he likewise never disagrees with the theory of the protagonist, Nils Runeberg, that Judas Iscariot, the man who betrayed the one whom Christians consider to be the Savior of the World, was actually God. The narrator, via Runeberg, proposes that our adoration of God should be even more respectful and profound, because God did not only come down in the body of Judas to the world, instead of reaping the glory that was rightfully his, he also paid an even greater price by condemning himself to everlasting damnation. Anyone can die for someone else, but this God has sufficient love to condemn himself to endless suffering for billions who will then revile him and worship and praise someone else. “Tres versiones” also calls into question the debate concerning the illusory nature of mankind’s free will. In my analysis I will show how Gnostic symbolism in “Tres versiones de Judas” determines how the inherent meaning of these symbols alters the reception of the story, eschewing the already-thorough studies completed about how these symbols relate to the Cabbala or other paradigms of religious creation.

    In “Tres versiones,” the narrator reveals two approaches to the free will/determinism debate and then an ultimately and uniquely novel one. The first version of Judas is predestined, lacking agency. The second version dwells somewhere in one of the other theories, while the third version, as a deity, accomplishes his own will; and his agency and will are one and the same. Via specific examples in the text and citations from theologians such as Aquinas, Occam, Molina, Calvin, Maimonides, Gersonides, Spinoza, and Schopenhauer, I will show that the reader too exercises a kind of agency that the author fosters via an elaborate multi-perspectivism in which the reader gets to follow his/her own forking path of interpretation, never really arriving at the truth.
    "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
    The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
  • TripletDaddy
    sweet triple
    • Nov 2008
    • 58186

    #2
    The last sentence is hokey. If you are going to drop an F-bomb, then just go all the way and do it.
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    • Solon
      Lost in the flood
      • Nov 2008
      • 5747

      #3
      Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
      The last sentence is hokey. If you are going to drop an F-bomb, then just go all the way and do it.
      This sounds like an interesting paper, but it does read a little clunky - like you condensed it down from a hundred page chapter. I've never liked "my examination will show" or "I will show" phrases, and some of the verbs seem a little forced - like "purports" or "suffering" evolutions. The final sentence is the best one, and maybe a different version or a hint of it could come earlier; something in the initial paragraph to indicate that your paper will discuss the story's multi-perspectivism, etc.

      In the end, though, it's a pretty good abstract and should get picked up by the conference. So, it may not be worth the time it would require.
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      • SeattleUte
        Faith crisis consultant
        • Nov 2008
        • 20837

        #4
        Waupinmon, is your dissertation a novel? I might have something in there about the dramatic mechanism whereby God can be in two places at one time, even in the same room. God of course can do anything, but if you at least gave us a taste of how this works in the story it might make your abstract more engaging. You might also finish with a dramatic hook of some kind, to leave the reader in suspense and want to read your story to find out what happens. Sort of like a book jacket blurb.
        When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

        --Jonathan Swift

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        • Babs
          Not a Lawyer
          • Nov 2008
          • 17128

          #5
          wuap,

          I sent you some suggestions.

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          • Babs
            Not a Lawyer
            • Nov 2008
            • 17128

            #6
            Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
            Waupinmon, is your dissertation a novel? I might have something in there about the dramatic mechanism whereby God can be in two places at one time, even in the same room. God of course can do anything, but if you at least gave us a taste of how this works in the story it might make your abstract more engaging. You might also finish with a dramatic hook of some kind, to leave the reader in suspense and want to read your story to find out what happens. Sort of like a book jacket blurb.
            Seattle, it's an academic abstract, not a book report.

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            • SeattleUte
              Faith crisis consultant
              • Nov 2008
              • 20837

              #7
              Originally posted by Babs View Post
              Seattle, it's an academic abstract, not a book report.
              Well, it is in fact a novel. There's nothing wrong with a strong narrative, character development, story, etc. Those are good things.

              Another suggestion, I think you can mine some thematic material here that's pretty rich. The idea developed by many philosophers and novelists (most recently Cormac M.) partly as a solution to the problem of good and evil that God is everything and everything is God, including evil itself. All works together toward God's divine purpose. I assume that's your point and I'd try to suggest that in some pointed way woven into the drama.
              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

              --Jonathan Swift

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              • Babs
                Not a Lawyer
                • Nov 2008
                • 17128

                #8
                Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                Well, it is in fact a novel. There's nothing wrong with a strong narrative, character development, story, etc. Those are good things.

                Another suggestion, I think you can mine some thematic material here that's pretty rich. The idea developed by many philosophers and novelists (most recently Cormac M.) partly as a solution to the problem of good and evil that God is everything and everything is God, including evil itself. All works together toward God's divine purpose. I assume that's your point and I'd try to suggest that in some pointed way woven into the drama.
                But wuapinmon isn't writing a novel. Or am I misreading you?

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                • SeattleUte
                  Faith crisis consultant
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 20837

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Babs View Post
                  But wuapinmon isn't writing a novel. Or am I misreading you?
                  What else would you call it? He's got a fantasy going here to frame a philosophical debate. Right? He's even developing characters with personalities, agendas, etc. (at least three I can discern: the "fictional" writer of the treatise, and the fictional writer's characters, Judus and God), all with the end in mind of making a philosophical point or generating debate. But the story is indispensible. He's doing no different than Camus, Sartre, Goethe, Thomas Mann, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, even moderns like Cormac McCarthy and Hemingway and many others have done with their fictional stories, their short stories, poems and novels.

                  I think your definition of novel is too restrictive. So, he can write a novel that is entertaining as it stimulates, that people will want to read, and market it so people will want to read it, or not.
                  When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                  --Jonathan Swift

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                  • Babs
                    Not a Lawyer
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 17128

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                    What else would you call it? He's got a fantasy going here to frame a philosophical debate. Right? He's even developing characters with personalities, agendas, etc. (at least three I can discern: the "fictional" writer of the trateise, and his charaters, Judus and God), all with the end in mind of making a philosophical point or generating debate. But the story is indispensible. He's doing no different than Camus, Sartre, Goethe, Thomas Mann, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, even moderns like Cormac McCarthy and Hemingway and many others have done with their fictional stories, their short stories, poems and novels.

                    I think your definition of novel is too restrictive. So, he can write a novel that is entertaining as it stimulates, that people will want to read, and market it so people will want to read it, or not.
                    Are you referring to "Tres Versiones de Judas"? Obviously that's a novel or novella, but wuapinmon didn't write it. Borges did. He's writing a dissertation about it, and submitting an abstract to a conference on Borges.

                    But I will defer, as this is not an area I know much about, and I think I must be misunderstanding you.

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                    • SeattleUte
                      Faith crisis consultant
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 20837

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Babs View Post
                      Are you referring to "Tres Versiones de Judas"? Obviously that's a novel or novella, but wuapinmon didn't write it. Borges did. He's writing a dissertation about it, and submitting an abstract to a conference on Borges.

                      But I will defer, as this is not an area I know much about, and I think I must be misunderstanding you.
                      Okay, I thought he wrote it. Never mind.
                      When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                      --Jonathan Swift

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                      • Surfah
                        Where's Wallace?
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 33726

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Babs View Post
                        Are you referring to "Tres Versiones de Judas"? Obviously that's a novel or novella, but wuapinmon didn't write it. Borges did. He's writing a dissertation about it, and submitting an abstract to a conference on Borges.

                        But I will defer, as this is not an area I know much about, and I think I must be misunderstanding you.
                        Babs, you're assuming that SU read the abstract to begin with. That's your misunderstanding.
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                        • creekster
                          It is NOT a monkey!
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 22661

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                          Babs, you're assuming that SU read the abstract to begin with. That's your misunderstanding.
                          He was waiting for the review of the abstract to come out.
                          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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                          • Surfah
                            Where's Wallace?
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 33726

                            #14
                            Originally posted by creekster View Post
                            He was waiting for the review of the abstract to come out.
                            LOL. Good one. Creekster time to slow that roll of yours lest people here begin to think you really are funny.
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                            • SeattleUte
                              Faith crisis consultant
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 20837

                              #15
                              No, she was deliberately setting me up to expose my ignorance of Borges. She played me like a Stratavarius.
                              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

                              --Jonathan Swift

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