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  • Solon
    Lost in the flood
    • Nov 2008
    • 5747

    #16
    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
    I think this business of reading the prefix "anti" as if it were an English term meaning "opposed to," instead of an an English transliteration of a Reformed Egyptian word, has lots of possibilities. Just look at other BofM nouns using it:

    Antiparah: A town full of people who are opposed to parah.

    Antipus: A man deeply opposed to...infection, I guess.

    antion of gold: An amount of gold that is the opposite of an "on" of gold?
    FWIW, In ancient Greek, "anti" is a prefix that has meanings other than "against" or "opposite."

    One such meaning is "as good as" or "equal to" or "like".

    Another meaning is "instead" or "in place of"

    There are plenty more, but these are the main ones.

    BTW - Antipas is a form of the Greek "anti-patros," "equal to his father" (rather than "opposed to his father", or "opposite of his father")
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    • LA Ute
      Receiver of Memory
      • Nov 2008
      • 19512

      #17
      Originally posted by Solon View Post
      FWIW, In ancient Greek, "anti" is a prefix that has meanings other than "against" or "opposite."

      One such meaning is "as good as" or "equal to" or "like".

      Another meaning is "instead" or "in place of"

      There are plenty more, but these are the main ones.

      BTW - Antipas is a form of the Greek "anti-patros," "equal to his father" (rather than "opposed to his father", or "opposite of his father")
      Oh, sure, go ahead -- ruin my uneducated layman joke with scholarly information.
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      • Color Me Badd Fan
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 12519

        #18
        Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
        I think this business of reading the prefix "anti" as if it were an English term meaning "opposed to," instead of an an English transliteration of a Reformed Egyptian word, has lots of possibilities. Just look at other BofM nouns using it:

        Antiparah: A town full of people who are opposed to parah.

        Antipus: A man deeply opposed to...infection, I guess.

        antion of gold: An amount of gold that is the opposite of an "on" of gold?
        I think people are begging if they think something like the anti prefix in this context is some remnant from Reformed Egyptian. If he indeed translated the BoM from Reformed Egyptian to English then I don't see why remnants of the original language should remain that would provide bizarre connotations to the name. I wonder what the editions of the BoM in other languages have-- if anti is really part of the name and not simply a prefix-- then it should be in the BoM editions where where the letters "anti" don't mean anti.
        Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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        • LA Ute
          Receiver of Memory
          • Nov 2008
          • 19512

          #19
          Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
          I think people are begging if they think something like the anti prefix in this context is some remnant from Reformed Egyptian. If he indeed translated the BoM from Reformed Egyptian to English then I don't see why remnants of the original language should remain that would provide bizarre connotations to the name. I wonder what the editions of the BoM in other languages have-- if anti is really part of the name and not simply a prefix-- then it should be in the BoM editions where where the letters "anti" don't mean anti.
          I really have no idea, but I have always allowed for the possibility that "anti" sounds odd to me only because I was reading it as an English word.

          FWIW, in the Spanish translation of the BofM the word is "anti-nefi-lehitas." That tells us nothing, because "anti" has the same meaning in Spanish as in English.
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden


          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • Color Me Badd Fan
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 12519

            #20
            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
            I really have no idea, but I have always allowed for the possibility that "anti" sounds odd to me only because I was reading it as an English word.

            FWIW, in the Spanish translation of the BofM the word is "anti-nefi-lehitas." That tells us nothing, because "anti" has the same meaning in Spanish as in English.
            I actually looked up the translations into Tagalog, Hungarian, Tongan and Finnish which are perhaps the languages the furthest from English that still use our same alphabet and they actually all use anti with the exception of Samoan which uses something that sounds maybe similar (anitai). I don't know much about Tagalog, I don't know if it's a native Filipino tongue mixed with a lot of Spanish or what. Hungarian and Finnish are nothing like other European languages but the location of both countries could mean that a strong Latin prefix like anti (or is it Greek) could have made its way into the languages over time. The Tongan translation was the most divergent.
            Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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            • UtahDan
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              • Nov 2008
              • 14496

              #21
              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
              Oh, sure, go ahead -- ruin my uneducated layman joke with scholarly information.
              FWIW, I thought it was very clever/funny.

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