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  • #16
    Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yes, I have seen the same. Their parents are so strict with them that the kids are afraid to tell their parents anything and be open. We were once at a high school banquet where they were giving out some fun awards. One of the awards was the "barf bag award" given to the couple who expressed the most PDA (public display of affection) at school. The bishop's son and his girlfriend got the award. It was obvious that the bishop and his wife had no idea that his son and the girlfriend were having long make-out sessions at school and in the parking lot. The bishop, his wife, and the bishop's son were all very embarrassed given the extreme redness of their faces and the son's long grounding immediately starting that night.

    As for sleep overs my wife and I only allow it if we know the parents very well or if the sleep over is at our house. I know parents that don't allow any sleep overs which I can respect. Given some of the things I have heard going on at the schools I can respect their decision to home school their kids as well. Although I think their kids are growing up kind of socially retarded.
    I think we're mixing issues here. I don't see it as a common problem that kids don't get enough unsupervised time away from parents. In fact I think the opposite, that kids have too much unsupervised time. I'd like to limit it, but they have expectations based on their peers that they should be hanging out away from home every chance they get.

    I think it is a problem that kids feel so much pressure to be righteous or judgment if they make mistakes or even just lack of intimacy in general that they wouldn't be open with their parents about stuff they're doing, especially relating to a boyfriend or girlfriend.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
      Jeff, look at this man's avatar and ask yourself whether you are going to take this or not.
      I could, but that would imply that I acknowledge some kind of connection between sleepovers and home schooling, which I don't.

      (besides, nugent rocks!)
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      • #18
        Porn was to Ted Bundy's serial killing as sleepovers were to young SJS throwing eggs/water balloons/snowballs.

        If someone wants to let their kids have sleepovers, that's cool. I don't think my wife and I will. In part, we have a busy family, our kids have a fair amount of chores, we'll live quite a ways out of town. I'm fine with my kids going over to friends houses and having fun, but I'm not convinced that I'll be fine with the unsupervised fun they'll be having after 11 pm or so. (This mainly applies to kids junior high age and under. We have a ways to go before our kids are high school aged, but I'm sure they'll have a later curfew by then.)
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          I could, but that would imply that I acknowledge some kind of connection between sleepovers and home schooling, which I don't.

          (besides, nugent rocks!)
          Yeah, the connection between those two is lost on me. I guess if that is the logical course of events, I might as well withdraw my kids from public school tomorrow.

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          • #20
            Is this another oddball LDS thing -- like making kids pay for their college education?

            I ask because my kids have many more non-LDS friends than LDS friends, and I'm hardpressed to come up with a single non-LDS kid that isn't allowed to participate in a sleepover, but know of several LDS kids that aren't allowed.

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            • #21
              Do you parents realize that without sleepovers it will be up to you to teach your children about sex? That's a responsibility I don't want. Without the kid across the street whose dad was a doctor I may have never found out if not for his willingness to explain to us during a sleepover.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                Do you parents realize that without sleepovers it will be up to you to teach your children about sex?
                You obviously didn't ride the bus to school.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
                  You obviously didn't ride the bus to school.


                  That's where I learned! Some kid also told me,while we were riding home on the bus, all about this wet dream he had about his aunt.

                  Honestly, I think a lot of parents already felt uncomfortable with the idea of sleepovers but didn't have the balls to say no to their kids about them. Once a general authority mentioned something about sleepovers at conference, they jumped on the chance to say, "hey, look, the church has spoken against sleepovers so we can't do them anymore."

                  My SIL has never allowed sleepovers and I thought she was crazy strict until I had kids of my own. When I really thought about all my sleepover experiences, I decided my kids weren't missing out on much Sure, I had fun. But I was also exposed to a lot of things I didn't need to be knowing at that age. Also, I was the one who could never fall asleep and I came home the next day feeling like trash. It'd take me a couple of days to fully recover from that night without sleep. My oldest is the same way. One night without good sleep and he is a bear. He makes the whole family miserable and it takes him a couple of days to recover. Why would I sign up for that?
                  What's to explain? It's a bunch of people, most of whom you've never met, who are just as likely to be homicidal maniacs as they are to be normal everyday people, with whom you share the minutiae of your everyday life. It's totally normal, and everyone would understand.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Hey, I am totally cool if you see low risk with sleepovers, but your post is a bit of an insult to those of us who take a different approach to the issue.
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                    • #25
                      I went to the wrong sleepovers. I didn't have sex, drink, do drugs, or watch adult movies. We did TP houses, though. And played video games. And went swimming.

                      Also, not sure if it is relevant to the concept of peer pressure, but I don't remember going to group sleepovers. The majority of the time, I would spend the night at a friend's house or vice versa. There were no groups of 4 or 5 or however many boys camping out all night. I wonder if that reduces the likelihood of shenanigans?

                      My memories of sleepovers were all fun....go eat pizza, grab a frozen yogurt, rent a video, stuff like that. The best part about them was that we generally were allowed to stay up as late as we wanted playing video games. That was a treat.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                        I went to the wrong sleepovers. I didn't have sex, drink, do drugs, or watch adult movies. We did TP houses, though. And played video games. And went swimming.

                        Also, not sure if it is relevant to the concept of peer pressure, but I don't remember going to group sleepovers. The majority of the time, I would spend the night at a friend's house or vice versa. There were no groups of 4 or 5 or however many boys camping out all night. I wonder if that reduces the likelihood of shenanigans?

                        My memories of sleepovers were all fun....go eat pizza, grab a frozen yogurt, rent a video, stuff like that. The best part about them was that we generally were allowed to stay up as late as we wanted playing video games. That was a treat.
                        This reflects my experience with sleepovers. The one bad thing we did was light up the Jumping Jack fireworks and throw them at passing cars. That stunt ended when one of them landed and dance around on the hood of some stoner's Trans Am. We escaped but just barely.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                          I went to the wrong sleepovers. I didn't have sex, drink, do drugs, or watch adult movies. We did TP houses, though. And played video games. And went swimming.

                          Also, not sure if it is relevant to the concept of peer pressure, but I don't remember going to group sleepovers. The majority of the time, I would spend the night at a friend's house or vice versa. There were no groups of 4 or 5 or however many boys camping out all night. I wonder if that reduces the likelihood of shenanigans?

                          My memories of sleepovers were all fun....go eat pizza, grab a frozen yogurt, rent a video, stuff like that. The best part about them was that we generally were allowed to stay up as late as we wanted playing video games. That was a treat.
                          This reflects my experience with sleepovers as well, and I wasn't even LDS until I was almost 17.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                            I went to the wrong sleepovers. I didn't have sex, drink, do drugs, or watch adult movies. We did TP houses, though. And played video games. And went swimming.

                            Also, not sure if it is relevant to the concept of peer pressure, but I don't remember going to group sleepovers. The majority of the time, I would spend the night at a friend's house or vice versa. There were no groups of 4 or 5 or however many boys camping out all night. I wonder if that reduces the likelihood of shenanigans?

                            My memories of sleepovers were all fun....go eat pizza, grab a frozen yogurt, rent a video, stuff like that. The best part about them was that we generally were allowed to stay up as late as we wanted playing video games. That was a treat.
                            Originally posted by Gidget View Post
                            This reflects my experience with sleepovers as well, and I wasn't even LDS until I was almost 17.
                            Mine too. We rolled some houses as we got older and could drive, but mostly we just stayed up all night playing that baseball game on the back of our dartboards. We'd draft teams, put down a batting order, and then compile stats on each player. Cal Ripken always seemed to get a homerun.

                            My wife is opposed to sleepovers, so my kids won't know the joy of playing Axis n' Allies deep into the night and getting scared when your parents wake up to go to work.
                            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                              Mine too. We rolled some houses as we got older and could drive, but mostly we just stayed up all night playing that baseball game on the back of our dartboards. We'd draft teams, put down a batting order, and then compile stats on each player. Cal Ripken always seemed to get a homerun.

                              My wife is opposed to sleepovers, so my kids won't know the joy of playing Axis n' Allies deep into the night and getting scared when your parents wake up to go to work.
                              Risk and Axis n' Allies sleepovers rocked!
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sullyute View Post
                                Risk and Axis n' Allies sleepovers rocked!
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