The Spiritual Opportunity Cost of Religious Belief

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  • RobinFinderson
    Banned
    • Nov 2008
    • 10548

    #1

    The Spiritual Opportunity Cost of Religious Belief

    This thread isn't explicitly about Mormonism, however I am going to frame it in terms of the LDS faith because a.) it is what I know, and b.) it is what most people on this board know.

    Discussion here recently has turned my thoughts to the spiritual opportunity cost of religious belief/orthodoxy. Someone (was it scottie?) pointed out that he wasn't sure what he was going to get out of reading the BOM for the 24th time, but that he did it because that is what Mormons do. He might have read a different book, and therein lies the opportunity cost of reading the BOM.

    Most Americans are fairly uneducated when it comes to moral/ethical thinking, which is somewhat ironic, because we are such a religious country, which means that a lot of us have devoted a good portion of our lives to a kind of moral thinking. I think the premise of orthodoxy is the idea that only certain kinds of moral thought/action are valid, so there is really no reason to consider anything else. Or perhaps orthodoxies take a more cynical view of humanity and presume that most people wouldn't contemplate moral thought at all without religion.

    The Mormon view of the world is really pretty simple: Life is a test, and we pass it best by making LDS covenants and hewing close to church leadership's counsel. Conforming to this view, and thus feeling relatively secure in one's righteousness, doesn't take much thought (though it can take much effort). Action counts for a lot, but I can't help but wondering if the spiritual opportunity cost of orthodox Mormonism isn't a kind of broad ethical ignorance. Mormons DO good things, but most don't have much insight as to why they do them.

    In my own life I felt as if Mormonism had taken me as far as it could. It planted the interest in moral/ethical/spiritual thinking, and it nourished spiritual growth for a long time, but eventually I felt that any continued insight was only going to come from service, and not from the church and its teachers. The opportunity cost of weekly meetings that covered the same old material, correlated scriptural study, and insular ethical/spiritual discussion never seemed to be a terrible burden, but it did seem to be an unnecessary one, and the benefits of service could be enjoyed completely independent of religious affiliation.

    I've focussed on Mormonism, because that is what I know, but maybe it is easier to see what I am talking about when looking at other faiths. What is the ethical opportunity cost of believing that one is 'saved,' thus guaranteeing one's salvation in spite of one's ethics? Or if you belief in 'one true religion,' then what is the spiritual opportunity cost of spinning one's wheels in a false religion?

    What do you think of the spiritual opportunity cost of religious belief?
    Last edited by RobinFinderson; 03-22-2011, 10:05 AM.
  • pellegrino
    miserere me
    • Jan 2009
    • 12100

    #2
    can you view weekly church attendance as a form of service?
    Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
    God forgives many things for an act of mercy
    Alessandro Manzoni

    Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.

    pelagius

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    • RobinFinderson
      Banned
      • Nov 2008
      • 10548

      #3
      Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
      can you view weekly church attendance as a form of service?
      Personally, I think that calling church attendance 'service' seriously begins to sap the word of its potency. Sure, I can understand that my presence at a church might bring some modicum of benefit to others, but I don't think that it would generally rise to the level of 'service.'

      Preparing lessons and working in a calling would be 'church service.'

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      • Katy Lied
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 9435

        #4
        I suppose church attendance is an opportunity cost if you were planning on spending that time in more sublime circumstances, pondering the mysteries of the universe or in service to your fellow man.

        Myself, I fear I would spend it in my BVDs drinking beer and watching hockey games, losing potato chips in the couch cushions and working up a rage as my team lost another close one.

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        • creekster
          It is NOT a monkey!
          • Nov 2008
          • 22661

          #5
          do you mean intellectual, spiritual or ethical opportunity cost? It seems the first post talks about all three.
          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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          • byu71
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 22070

            #6
            for whatever reason I feel a sense of peace and renewal when I attend Sacrament meeting. Even if the meeting itself is not rewarding, being there is for me.

            I feel it sets me up for the rest of the week being in a better positive mind. Therefor all my experiences and hopefully my interactions with others are more positive than if I hadn't attended.

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            • RobinFinderson
              Banned
              • Nov 2008
              • 10548

              #7
              Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
              I suppose church attendance is an opportunity cost if you were planning on spending that time in more sublime circumstances, pondering the mysteries of the universe or in service to your fellow man.

              Myself, I fear I would spend it in my BVDs drinking beer and watching hockey games, losing potato chips in the couch cushions and working up a rage as my team lost another close one.
              Hey now, there is some serious spirituality to be had in those BVDs drinking beer and watching hockey. It takes some focus and contemplation to realize, but it is there for those who have ears to hear.

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              • RobinFinderson
                Banned
                • Nov 2008
                • 10548

                #8
                Originally posted by creekster View Post
                do you mean intellectual, spiritual or ethical opportunity cost? It seems the first post talks about all three.
                I lump them as intersecting, similar, and often equivalent pursuits. It is all about principled living.

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                • RobinFinderson
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 10548

                  #9
                  I would also note that I don't really see that much opportunity cost to attending church. It is just a three hour block of time in one's life, and it isn't as if anyone is expected to program every hour of their life for maximum service. Going to church as a way of spiritual centering, like byu71 describes, is a perfectly decent way to be good to one's self.

                  What I'm really talking about is the opportunity cost of investing in a single view of truth and purpose in life. I wonder if this approach tends to limit the believer's spiritual growth instead of expanding it. For example, the other day I posted a nice link to an RSA video discussing the possibility of our species developing an 'empathic civilization.' The whole concept sounds a bit new-agey and alien, but if anyone watched the video they might see that the speaker's hope is essentially identical to what Christ taught. In this case I wonder if people are so locked into a particular concept of truth that they would dismiss the idea of literally pursuing Christ's teachings as unrealistic. There are just so many people actively working to figure out better ways to pursue principled lives, and I'm not sure that deferring to the prophets who purported have the 'full light of Christ' is better than seeking out one's own personal prophets.

                  Obviously belief doesn't limit one's pursuit of truth outside of the framework of their belief. These aren't anti-religionist ideas, though they are anti-orthodoxy ideas, if orthodoxy means failing to consider 'truth' coming from outsider 'prophets.'

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                  • jay santos
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 13652

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                    This thread isn't explicitly about Mormonism, however I am going to frame it in terms of the LDS faith because a.) it is what I know, and b.) it is what most people on this board know.

                    Discussion here recently has turned my thoughts to the spiritual opportunity cost of religious belief/orthodoxy. Someone (was it scottie?) pointed out that he wasn't sure what he was going to get out of reading the BOM for the 24th time, but that he did it because that is what Mormons do. He might have read a different book, and therein lies the opportunity cost of reading the BOM.

                    Most Americans are fairly uneducated when it comes to moral/ethical thinking, which is somewhat ironic, because we are such a religious country, which means that a lot of us have devoted a good portion of our lives to a kind of moral thinking. I think the premise of orthodoxy is the idea that only certain kinds of moral thought/action are valid, so there is really no reason to consider anything else. Or perhaps orthodoxies take a more cynical view of humanity and presume that most people wouldn't contemplate moral thought at all without religion.

                    The Mormon view of the world is really pretty simple: Life is a test, and we pass it best by making LDS covenants and hewing close to church leadership's counsel. Conforming to this view, and thus feeling relatively secure in one's righteousness, doesn't take much thought (though it can take much effort). Action counts for a lot, but I can't help but wondering if the spiritual opportunity cost of orthodox Mormonism isn't a kind of broad ethical ignorance. Mormons DO good things, but most don't have much insight as to why they do them.

                    In my own life I felt as if Mormonism had taken me as far as it could. It planted the interest in moral/ethical/spiritual thinking, and it nourished spiritual growth for a long time, but eventually I felt that any continued insight was only going to come from service, and not from the church and its teachers. The opportunity cost of weekly meetings that covered the same old material, correlated scriptural study, and insular ethical/spiritual discussion never seemed to be a terrible burden, but it did seem to be an unnecessary one, and the benefits of service could be enjoyed completely independent of religious affiliation.

                    I've focussed on Mormonism, because that is what I know, but maybe it is easier to see what I am talking about when looking at other faiths. What is the ethical opportunity cost of believing that one is 'saved,' thus guaranteeing one's salvation in spite of one's ethics? Or if you belief in 'one true religion,' then what is the spiritual opportunity cost of spinning one's wheels in a false religion?

                    What do you think of the spiritual opportunity cost of religious belief?
                    Give me an example of moral/ethical thought the typical Mormon misses out on.

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                    • DrumNFeather
                      Invisible Swordsman
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 8854

                      #11
                      I wonder if Cost-benefit would be more appropriate than Opportunity cost. I suppose analyzing both might lead to the same conclusion, depending on what side of the fence you're on, but from what you described above, you were no longer seeing the benefit of attending church/being Mormon versus what it was costing you in time, talents, tithing, etc...

                      I do however think it is a worthwhile idea to explore for all religions, or for that matter really any group that one would puts time and energy into, but for these purposes, we can stick to religion.
                      "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

                      Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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                      • RobinFinderson
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10548

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                        Give me an example of moral/ethical thought the typical Mormon misses out on.
                        I brought up one example in the post right above yours, referring to the RSA video where the speaker essentially uses science and philosophy to agitate for a social awakening that practically mirrors what Christ taught would be our final social existence. I think it would be ironic, though not without historical precedent, if those claiming to represent Christ totally missed the bus when it came to bringing about Christ's ends, because they were overly focussed on something else.
                        Last edited by RobinFinderson; 03-23-2011, 11:33 AM.

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                        • creekster
                          It is NOT a monkey!
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 22661

                          #13
                          Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                          I lump them as intersecting, similar, and often equivalent pursuits. It is all about principled living.
                          Principled living is a different concept altogether. As this thread makes little sense to my small mind, I will leave you to it.
                          PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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