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    Here is where Church discipline is needed

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51...ernet.html.csp

    This company (Heritage Internet Technologies) apparently owes millions of dollars to the IRS, as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars to contractors and employees, and the (LDS) owners just shut the company down in the middle of the night and try to dump their angry clients and employees on another unsuspecting company.

    The only silver lining is this Fibernet company seems to be just doing what they can to help people in an ethical way.

    We should be cracking down on the dishonest LDS sons of bitches who commit all the white collar crime and unethical business shenanigans (including MLM -- those who sell false hope to the gullible) in Utah and quit being the Church that hates gays and investigates and punishes sexually active teenagers.
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    I didn't see anything in the article about Heritage's debts (other than employees asking for paychecks). Do you have some other sources for what's going on over there?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by falafel View Post
      I didn't see anything in the article about Heritage's debts (other than employees asking for paychecks). Do you have some other sources for what's going on over there?
      Yeah, there is a public record of them owing the IRS 8 million dollars

      Edit (link):

      http://www.utahcountyonline.org/Land...&aventry=91831
      Last edited by CardiacCoug; 03-09-2011, 10:12 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CardiacCoug View Post
        Yeah, there is a public record of them owing the IRS 8 million dollars.
        In some conservative utah areas they are probably hailed as heroes for not paying taxes to our socialist government...
        "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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        • #5
          DDD, recognize the name of one of the principals listed in the article?

          I really abhor the LDS people who prey on gullible members for their own personal financial gain. I see it happen a lot where I am and it is so sad.

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          • #6
            I wish they would stress the bolded section more often

            36That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

            37That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man
            Altogether too often in Mormon culture people think that because of a man's standing in the church (i.e. his priesthood) he can be viewed as trustworthy. IMO, Anyone who uses that as leverage to close a business deal is guilty of unrighteous dominion. Unfortunately, leadership seems unconcerned with it because it continues to happen again and again.
            Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
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            • #7
              Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
              I wish they would stress the bolded section more often



              Altogether too often in Mormon culture people think that because of a man's standing in the church (i.e. his priesthood) he can be viewed as trustworthy. IMO, Anyone who uses that as leverage to close a business deal is guilty of unrighteous dominion. Unfortunately, leadership seems unconcerned with it because it continues to happen again and again.
              I'm not sure this is true. I feel like over the last several years, at least a half dozen letters have been read over the pulpit warning members about various business ventures. Now, it certainly isn't as clear as "hey, brother Jones is stealing money from widows" but I'm pretty sure warnings have been issued.

              I agree that it is a problem...I'm just not sure how the church is supposed to step in and fix it.
              "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

              Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DrumNFeather View Post
                I'm not sure this is true. I feel like over the last several years, at least a half dozen letters have been read over the pulpit warning members about various business ventures. Now, it certainly isn't as clear as "hey, brother Jones is stealing money from widows" but I'm pretty sure warnings have been issued.

                I agree that it is a problem...I'm just not sure how the church is supposed to step in and fix it.
                say amen to the priesthood of those men, i.e. call a church court and excommunicate them where appropriate.

                you're right though that in Utah there have been quite a few letters read. I don't know what they can do to prevent it other than make examples of higher profile individuals, even then I'm not a real fan of public witch hunts, regardless of the crime.
                Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
                God forgives many things for an act of mercy
                Alessandro Manzoni

                Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.

                pelagius

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                • #9
                  I know someone whose testimony is affected by this.

                  He worked at a local Utah company and when that company went belly up, they did several things that I'm surprised didn't get the management prosecuted. During their last hurrah, they weren't paying into the employees 401k even though it said they were on pay stubs. People had their accounts frozen for several years because of litigation. (Sidenote: word to the wise, never roll retirement money into an employee account, only roll them out into personal IRAs).

                  They also tried to shift money around between shareholders to avoid paying employees back-pay. Luckily on appeal after they lost the case, they had to post a bond and therefore had to reveal they had the money to pay their employees.

                  At any rate, my co-worker has told me several times how much it irked him seeing one of the higher ups in the company standing in the circle blessing their grandchild.

                  The other issue was that an emeritus GA was brought in near the end to try and help save things, but there is a good chance that he didn't know the unethical/illegal activity that was going on.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Soccermom View Post

                    I really abhor the LDS people who prey on gullible members for their own personal financial gain. I see it happen a lot where I am and it is so sad.
                    Me too. I've read so many complaints alleging that some scam artist used connections with the Church and cited Church leaders to defraud people. It always makes me really mad.
                    Not that, sickos.

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                    • #11
                      I read an interview the other day with Ty Detmer where he discussed being swindled by Triton Financial. Of course it was through a member of his ward.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                        I read an interview the other day with Ty Detmer where he discussed being swindled by Triton Financial. Of course it was through a member of his ward.
                        Wasn't he like a vice-president of the company and in charge of bringing in NFL/professional athletes as clients? So did put his money where his mouth was and invest personal funds with the company which he lost or just lose out on a paycheck/bonus?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Soccermom View Post
                          DDD, recognize the name of one of the principals listed in the article?

                          I really abhor the LDS people who prey on gullible members for their own personal financial gain. I see it happen a lot where I am and it is so sad.
                          It's been going on since Kirtland. Never mix business and religion.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Soccermom View Post
                            DDD, recognize the name of one of the principals listed in the article?

                            I really abhor the LDS people who prey on gullible members for their own personal financial gain. I see it happen a lot where I am and it is so sad.
                            yikes! you are right. this brings shame upon our class
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                              It's been going on since Kirtland. Never mix business and religion.
                              This lends credibility to the old adage, "Never do business with family, friends, or ward members".

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