Originally posted by Uncle Ted
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Contrived Hardship
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Not to make light of your map making skills in the dirt, but doesn't one just look for the I-35 sign and head South to arrive at San Antonio? And they might want to get assurrances from SLC that they won't be excommunicated once in Texas for refusing to load up their handcarts and wagons and travel to Utah.“Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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Yes, they could just follow I-35 but that doesn't add to the hardship factor. They won't have any good stories to tell their children. Besides it reenacts the historical first meeting between Bridger and Young:Originally posted by Paperback Writer View PostNot to make light of your map making skills in the dirt, but doesn't one just look for the I-35 sign and head South to arrive at San Antonio? And they might want to get assurrances from SLC that they won't be excommunicated once in Texas for refusing to load up their handcarts and wagons and travel to Utah.
In June 1847 Bridger had his first encounter with the Mormon pioneers near the mouth of the Little Sandy River. At this gathering, Bridger and Brigham Young discussed the merits of settling in the Salt Lake Valley. Also during this meeting Bridger drew his map on the ground for Young depicting the region with great accuracy and conveyed to the Mormon leader his misgivings regarding the agricultural productivity of the Salt Lake area. This first meeting between the Mormons and Bridger appears to have been pleasant, yet this relationship was to become a bittersweet one for Bridger."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
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GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Pioneers had to write out their term papers by hand.Originally posted by TripletDaddy View PostHere we go....now we're talking. Let's get the pioneer worship going! Woe is them, nobody knows the trouble they've seen. Nothing we endure today can ever compare. The pioneers were the low point in the human history of suffering.
Anyone else have any other horrible stories to share about the migration? I'd love to hear them because it makes me appreciate my desk and computer all the more.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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envy shmenvy. As a true American with uber-patriotic DNA, I abhor the fact that your ancestors tried to leave this country. The original illegal immigrants ... Utah Pioneers.Originally posted by myboynoah View PostYour pioneer ancestor envy is unbecoming.
"It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."
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Texas = No special significance assigned to:Originally posted by Eddie Jones View PostToday is a special day in Texas as it marks the 175th anniversary of the siege on the Alamo. My son went to preschool wearing a cowboy hat and they are going to learn about Texas' fight for independence. They might even reinact the battle (I'm sure they have enough Mexicans in his class to accurately portray the ethnicity of the participants). I don't see you openly petitioning to squash the William B. Travis and Davy Crockett worship that is going on in Texas today.
- Sovereignty
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- Due Process
- Elections
- Immigration
- Illegal Immigration
- Insurgency
Basically, Sam Houston was Che Guevara with cooler weapons. Texans were the original illegal immigrants."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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Originally posted by FMCoug View Postenvy shmenvy. As a true American with uber-patriotic DNA, I abhor the fact that your ancestors tried to leave this country. The original illegal immigrants ... Utah Pioneers.
Looks like wap disagrees with you FM, and he's a Doctor. Boom Bitches!!!!Originally posted by wuapinmon View PostTexas = No special significance assigned to:
- Sovereignty
- Property Rights
- Due Process
- Elections
- Immigration
- Illegal Immigration
- Insurgency
Basically, Sam Houston was Che Guevara with cooler weapons. Texans were the original illegal immigrants.Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
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By leaving the US, wouldn't the pioneers be expatriates?Originally posted by FMCoug View Postenvy shmenvy. As a true American with uber-patriotic DNA, I abhor the fact that your ancestors tried to leave this country. The original illegal immigrants ... Utah Pioneers.
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At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
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