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    There's a guy who comes to my GD class weekly. He no longer lives in our ward, but his license is suspended due to DUIs, so his mom (in our ward) picks him up and brings him to church with her. Last week, he showed up to church drunk. He didn't look noticeably intoxicated, but he made a few comments in GD and you could tell by his speech he was drunk.

    As I mentioned in Pelagius' SS thread, last week was a disaster in my class. I cut the lesson short 7 minutes, and my frustration must have been obvious. After church he apparently called the bishop asking for my phone number. He then called other bishopric members (since bishop wouldn't give it to him), and finally ended up with my wife's cell. He left a drunk message that was actually fairly thoughtful (you're a great teacher...man... was repeated a few times).

    I tried to call him back but he didn't answer.

    Yesterday I get a call from a member of our bishopric (sort of a douche, but a nice enough guy), who asks, "Did you get any interesting phone calls Sunday?" I said, "Oh, yeah, Brother X called me and left a message. I think he was drunk." I also mentioned that he was intoxicated at church, but said, "I suppose there's no better place for a person to be drunk than church, right?" (meaning: it sucks he is drunk, but I think it's great he still wants to be at church). The bishopric member told me not to talk to him when drunk and indicated that they're also going to tell him that he needs to go to his own ward and that he isn't welcome at our building if drunk.

    This concerns me. I understand it's preferrable that people show up on Sundays chemical-free, but this guy actually has a pretty good spirit about him (no pun intended). You can tell he's really trying to be better, and his comments are normally no worse than the rest of the class.

    I'm a little concerned that the bishopric asked me no to talk to him if he's drunk. I understand that we shouldn't enable people, but is having an open ear when an alcoholic is drunk enabling?

    What would you do if you were in my shoes?
    Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

    "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

  • #2
    Originally posted by RedSox View Post
    There's a guy who comes to my GD class weekly. He no longer lives in our ward, but his license is suspended due to DUIs, so his mom (in our ward) picks him up and brings him to church with her. Last week, he showed up to church drunk. He didn't look noticeably intoxicated, but he made a few comments in GD and you could tell by his speech he was drunk.

    As I mentioned in Pelagius' SS thread, last week was a disaster in my class. I cut the lesson short 7 minutes, and my frustration must have been obvious. After church he apparently called the bishop asking for my phone number. He then called other bishopric members (since bishop wouldn't give it to him), and finally ended up with my wife's cell. He left a drunk message that was actually fairly thoughtful (you're a great teacher...man... was repeated a few times).

    I tried to call him back but he didn't answer.

    Yesterday I get a call from a member of our bishopric (sort of a douche, but a nice enough guy), who asks, "Did you get any interesting phone calls Sunday?" I said, "Oh, yeah, Brother X called me and left a message. I think he was drunk." I also mentioned that he was intoxicated at church, but said, "I suppose there's no better place for a person to be drunk than church, right?" (meaning: it sucks he is drunk, but I think it's great he still wants to be at church). The bishopric member told me not to talk to him when drunk and indicated that they're also going to tell him that he needs to go to his own ward and that he isn't welcome at our building if drunk.

    This concerns me. I understand it's preferrable that people show up on Sundays chemical-free, but this guy actually has a pretty good spirit about him (no pun intended). You can tell he's really trying to be better, and his comments are normally no worse than the rest of the class.

    I'm a little concerned that the bishopric asked me no to talk to him if he's drunk. I understand that we shouldn't enable people, but is having an open ear when an alcoholic is drunk enabling?

    What would you do if you were in my shoes?
    If you want to talk to him, drunk or not, you should talk to him.

    So much for the oft-quoted addage: "The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Portland Ute View Post
      If you want to talk to him, drunk or not, you should talk to him.

      So much for the oft-quoted addage: "The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints."
      In a similar vein, ask your bishop[ric] to expound on Mark 2:17 when they get a chance.

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      • #4
        Maybe you're not privy to all of his behaviors while attending church drunk.
        Everything in life is an approximation.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RedSox View Post
          What would you do if you were in my shoes?
          I'd tell the Bishopric member to put down his stone.

          If the guy was being delibrately unruly or vile then I wouldn't let him participate, but if he truly is trying to be decent then he should be welcomed.
          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
            Maybe you're not privy to all of his behaviors while attending church drunk.
            Maybe he just has to get a little loose in order to deal with church. I wouldn't mind a little eye-opener, if it made church go smoothly.

            Seriously, though, anyone who's drinking on Sunday morning/early afternoon probably has a problem.
            "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
            -- Iron County Record. 23 August, 1912. (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...23/ed-1/seq-4/)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Solon View Post
              Seriously, though, anyone who's drinking on Sunday morning/early afternoon probably has a problem.
              Yeah, I think it would behoove the bishop in this case to work with his other bishop and get the guy some help and church assistance if need be. There is such a fine line between welcoming everyone and having people there that ruin it for others.

              My parents ward had a set of missionaries that tracted into an apartment complex for mentally unstable adults...and baptized quite a few of them. One such man came to church telling people he was Jesus and doing so regularly in testimony meeting. He would get angry if he was not allowed to talk in GD class and it was later reported that he actually punched someone in another ward. Like I said, I think everyone should feel welcome in our chapels, but you have to also consider the safety and well-being of the members of your congregation.
              "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

              Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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              • #8
                lol. I like your new avatar, Solon.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                  Maybe you're not privy to all of his behaviors while attending church drunk.
                  Right, because I am sure a bishop would never make a request based on petty bias.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Solon View Post
                    Seriously, though, anyone who's drinking on Sunday morning/early afternoon probably has a problem.
                    I don't think anyone here would disagree with you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
                      Right, because I am sure a bishop would never make a request based on petty bias.
                      And I'm sure you'd never have a knee-jerk reaction based on limited information.
                      Everything in life is an approximation.

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                      • #12
                        The problem I have with a drunk showing up at church is not that he has a drinking problem, but that it distracts from other people's experience. It's the same reason I try to keep my kids reasonably quiet at church. You already noted as much you could tell he was drunk, meaning that his comments weren't entirely normal, if not in content, at least in style. That's distracting to even reasonable people, and I doubt that you were the only one to recognize it. We're also hardly the only church (or organization) that doesn't welcome intoxicated people attending (and participating in) their meetings.

                        I don't have anything against alcoholics, but to treat them like they don't have to obey certain social rules isn't doing them any favors in overcoming their addiction.
                        At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
                        -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                          The problem I have with a drunk showing up at church is not that he has a drinking problem, but that it distracts from other people's experience.

                          You already noted as much you could tell he was drunk, meaning that his comments weren't entirely normal, if not in content, at least in style.
                          There are plenty of sober folks that fall into these categories, too. We don't exclude them.

                          As long as it isn't disruptive, I see no reason why a guy can't be there.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                            Maybe you're not privy to all of his behaviors while attending church drunk.
                            I agree. This is what makes it difficult for me to know what to do.
                            Jesus wants me for a sunbeam.

                            "Cog dis is a bitch." -James Patterson

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
                              I'd tell the Bishopric member to put down his stone.

                              If the guy was being delibrately unruly or vile then I wouldn't let him participate, but if he truly is trying to be decent then he should be welcomed.
                              I think this is the right answer, and I like the expression of putting down your stone.
                              Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
                              God forgives many things for an act of mercy
                              Alessandro Manzoni

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