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    The Mormon church is a corporation. Who are its shareholders? How does ownership pass? Do the shareholders recuse themselves from any economic benefit?

  • #2
    You could probably talk to Steve Bensen about this over at the Arizona Republic. Save you lots of duplicate research.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Viking View Post
      The Mormon church is a corporation. Who are its shareholders? How does ownership pass? Do the shareholders recuse themselves from any economic benefit?
      It's not a corporation how you'd normally think of one. I can't remember the name (someone help me out), but it's a type of corporation that was initially created in England to shelter the assets of the Anglican Church. I think it's called a corporation sole, and it's roughly analagous to a single-member LLC (LLCs are a fairly recent legal invention).
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
        You could probably talk to Steve Bensen about this over at the Arizona Republic. Save you lots of duplicate research.
        This is useless without a link

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RedSox View Post
          It's not a corporation how you'd normally think of one. I can't remember the name (someone help me out), but it's a type of corporation that was initially created in England to shelter the assets of the Anglican Church. I think it's called a corporation sole, and it's roughly analagous to a single-member LLC (LLCs are a fairly recent legal invention).
          no matter, it still has beneficial owners. there's no such thing as a legal entity w/o a beneficial owner(s)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RedSox View Post
            It's not a corporation how you'd normally think of one. I can't remember the name (someone help me out), but it's a type of corporation that was initially created in England to shelter the assets of the Anglican Church. I think it's called a corporation sole, and it's roughly analagous to a single-member LLC (LLCs are a fairly recent legal invention).
            In 1923, the church incorporated the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Utah to receive and manage money and church donations. In 1997, the church incorporated Intellectual Reserve, Inc. to hold all the church's copyrights, trademarks, and other intellectual property. The church also holds several non-tax-exempt corporations.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finance...ter-day_Saints
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Viking View Post
              no matter, it still has beneficial owners. there's no such thing as a legal entity w/o a beneficial owner(s)
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              Good explanation in general. It was created to allow for easy transfer of assets when the head of an organization was succeeded by another.

              I'd assume the LDS Church owns 100% of the Corporation of the President of the LDS Church.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Viking View Post
                no matter, it still has beneficial owners. there's no such thing as a legal entity w/o a beneficial owner(s)
                I believe the beneficial owners are those who hold the office of the First Presidency. There is no provision for a rank and file member, or even a General Authority to hold a stake in the corporation. This is what prevents members from the legal right to look at the books, as only shareholders have that right. As far as I understand it, there is only one shareholder, maybe three.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
                  I believe the beneficial owners are those who hold the office of the First Presidency. There is no provision for a rank and file member, or even a General Authority to hold a stake in the corporation. This is what prevents members from the legal right to look at the books, as only shareholders have that right. As far as I understand it, there is only one shareholder, maybe three.
                  After thinking it through, it almost certainly has to be President of the Church. The whole reason for a corporation sole is to transfer property when one person succeeds another. Could be First Presidency too, but this doesn't make as much sense considering the form of entity.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RedSox View Post
                    After thinking it through, it almost certainly has to be President of the Church. The whole reason for a corporation sole is to transfer property when one person succeeds another. Could be First Presidency too, but this doesn't make as much sense considering the form of entity.
                    I remember reading about this, but I can't remember where. I think you're right, but IIRC, the wording of the corporation implies that it's the first presidency.

                    Edit: Here is where I read it:

                    http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ration-part-i/
                    http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ation-part-ii/
                    http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...tion-part-iii/

                    It's spelled out in #3 that it's the first presidency, not just the prophet
                    plus, there's also the corporation of the presiding bishopric, so two entities. I'm not really sure how they interact.
                    Last edited by pellegrino; 02-06-2011, 08:38 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pellegrino View Post
                      I remember reading about this, but I can't remember where. I think you're right, but IIRC, the wording of the corporation implies that it's the first presidency.

                      Edit: Here is where I read it:

                      http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ration-part-i/
                      http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...ation-part-ii/
                      http://timesandseasons.org/index.php...tion-part-iii/

                      It's spelled out in #3 that it's the first presidency, not just the prophet
                      plus, there's also the corporation of the presiding bishopric, so two entities. I'm not really sure how they interact.
                      The beneficial owner is the president of the church. When he dies ownership passes on to the highest ranking apostle. This is written into to articles of incorporation of which I'll provide a link when I get to a computer. The succession of authority is basically written into the legal documents.
                      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Viking View Post
                        no matter, it still has beneficial owners. there's no such thing as a legal entity w/o a beneficial owner(s)
                        I know a number of 501(c)(3) nonprofits that might quibble with that.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
                          The beneficial owner is the president of the church. When he dies ownership passes on to the highest ranking apostle. This is written into to articles of incorporation of which I'll provide a link when I get to a computer. The succession of authority is basically written into the legal documents.
                          http://www.xmission.com/~research/central/chorg3.htm

                          That's the best link I have. I remember seeing an scanned executed copy somewhere but I can't remember where.
                          "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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