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  • Moliere
    One man.....one pie
    • Oct 2009
    • 27910

    #16
    Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Has the married LDS female profile changed from "some have bachelors degrees" and stay at home to raise a family to "many have bachelors or advanced degrees" and stay at home to rasie a family or have a professional carreer and raise a family?
    It's funny you say this because I struggled with the correct term to use in my post. I settled on "some" but I first typed "many". I have no idea the percentage, but in my ward alone it seems that the % of women with degrees is higher than your average collection of women.

    My main point though was that these women are educated and yet they still find enjoyment in bearing and raising children. They do other things to stimulate the mind (some write books, make crafts, read books, etc.), but going to a Phd program or being the executive at a large company is not something that would add more fulfillment to their lives.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    • FMCoug
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 6825

      #17
      The most insightful paragraph in the entire article:

      Of course, the larger question is, are these women's lives really as sweet and simple as they appear? Blogs have always been a way to mediate and prettify your own life; you'd be a fool to compare your real self to someone else's carefully arranged surface self. And Mormons are particularly famous for their "put on a happy face" attitude. The church teaches that the Gospel is the only authentic path to true happiness. So if you're a faithful follower, you better be happy, right?
      "It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."

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      • kccougar
        9262
        • Nov 2008
        • 7020

        #18
        Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
        It's funny you say this because I struggled with the correct term to use in my post. I settled on "some" but I first typed "many". I have no idea the percentage, but in my ward alone it seems that the % of women with degrees is higher than your average collection of women.

        My main point though was that these women are educated and yet they still find enjoyment in bearing and raising children. They do other things to stimulate the mind (some write books, make crafts, read books, etc.), but going to a Phd program or being the executive at a large company is not something that would add more fulfillment to their lives.
        I believe every woman I know in my ward under the age of 40 has at least a bachelor's degree.

        Edit: I just looked up two on FB that I had doubts about. One doesn't list college, and the other lists SLCC.
        "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV

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        • Paperback Writer
          Signature won a Pulitzer
          • Nov 2010
          • 5211

          #19
          Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
          It's funny you say this because I struggled with the correct term to use in my post. I settled on "some" but I first typed "many". I have no idea the percentage, but in my ward alone it seems that the % of women with degrees is higher than your average collection of women.

          My main point though was that these women are educated and yet they still find enjoyment in bearing and raising children. They do other things to stimulate the mind (some write books, make crafts, read books, etc.), but going to a Phd program or being the executive at a large company is not something that would add more fulfillment to their lives.
          Thanks for the clarification. I do think the percentages of LDS women with college degress is on the rise and has been for some time. It's related to economic necessity and career opportunity. I wonder if the "average collection of LDS women" is more or less educated than the "average collection of women in other demographic groups". I think LDS women would compare favorably.

          The fulfillment part is highly individual but I think on a macro level your point is probably on target about LDS women finding fulfillment outside academia or corporate America. But everyone is different. I remember hearing a conversation between my wife and the other RS counselor about how happy she was to leave her law firm (she was an attorney) to stay home with her two children (one a newborn) and my wife stating how happy she was with her new, demanding job because she loved it and felt lucky it came at a point in her life when her kids were older and she could handle it. The funny part was that neither one of the husbands felt fulfilled or happy in their jobs but were happy that our wives were happy.
          “Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory.”
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          • TripletDaddy
            sweet triple
            • Nov 2008
            • 58186

            #20
            Originally posted by kccougar View Post
            I believe every woman I know in my ward under the age of 40 has at least a bachelor's degree.

            Edit: I just looked up two on FB that I had doubts about. One doesn't list college, and the other lists SLCC.
            My anecdotal experience has been similar. The old notion of "I dropped out of school when I got pregnant" seems to be a quickly-growing relic of the past. In fact, I don't think a single woman in my wife's circle of friends did not graduate from college.

            Of course, part of that can be attributed to the fact that my wife asks all new acquaintances whether they graduated from college and then ignores them if they did not finish their degree.
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            • Jacob
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 6801

              #21
              Originally posted by kccougar View Post
              I believe every woman I know in my ward under the age of 40 has at least a bachelor's degree.

              Edit: I just looked up two on FB that I had doubts about. One doesn't list college, and the other lists SLCC.
              And more family debt than in the past.

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              • Mrs. Funk
                Lawyer Wannabe
                • Nov 2008
                • 2690

                #22
                Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                My anecdotal experience has been similar. The old notion of "I dropped out of school when I got pregnant" seems to be a quickly-growing relic of the past. In fact, I don't think a single woman in my wife's circle of friends did not graduate from college.

                Of course, part of that can be attributed to the fact that my wife asks all new acquaintances whether they graduated from college and then ignores them if they did not finish their degree.
                I prefer your wife's kind of questioning to the fifty times I heard, "So how many kids do you have?" when first we moved into our new ward.
                "You know, I was looking at your shirt and your scarf and I was thinking that if you had leaned over, I could have seen everything." ~Trial Ad Judge

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                • kccougar
                  9262
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 7020

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
                  I prefer your wife's kind of questioning to the fifty times I heard, "So how many kids do you have?" when first we moved into our new ward.
                  Nothing unusual there. It's also one of the very first questions I'm asked when introduced to someone new, even in a work setting. It's easy small-talk.
                  "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV

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                  • Mrs. Funk
                    Lawyer Wannabe
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 2690

                    #24
                    Originally posted by kccougar View Post
                    Nothing unusual there. It's also one of the very first questions I'm asked when introduced to someone new, even in a work setting. It's easy small-talk.
                    I don't disagree. Perhaps it was the sheer quantity of times I heard this question in the first month or so at church, and had to give the, "Nope, no kids yet!" speech. And sometimes, followed up with the question, "But wait, how long have you been married?" which in some instances was a clear implication that we had been married "long enough" without kids.
                    "You know, I was looking at your shirt and your scarf and I was thinking that if you had leaned over, I could have seen everything." ~Trial Ad Judge

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                    • snowcat
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 1348

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
                      Has the married LDS female profile changed from "some have bachelors degrees" and stay at home to raise a family to "many have bachelors or advanced degrees" and stay at home to rasie a family or have a professional carreer and raise a family?
                      I think the stereotype is just plain wrong. I am older than most on the board. My three sisters all have bachelor or higher degrees. My wife is degreed. My oldest (a daughter) is just finishing her degree and is contemplating graduate school. I can't think of any of my LDS female friends who do not have a degree.
                      One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

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                      • Jacob
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6801

                        #26
                        Originally posted by snowcat View Post
                        I think the stereotype is just plain wrong. I am older than most on the board. My three sisters all have bachelor or higher degrees. My wife is degreed. My oldest (a daughter) is just finishing her degree and is contemplating graduate school. I can't think of any of my LDS female friends who do not have a degree.
                        My wife has a degree. My sister does not, nor does my mother. One sister in law does, one doesn't. All are very successful. I can think of loads of Mormon wives and mothers without degrees. And it makes absolutely no difference to me whether they do or don't.

                        And, of course, when you get to the lower classes, you find a much higher percentage of mormon and non-mormon women without degrees. I'd guess that the trend among mormon women is similar to the recent trend among non-mormon women. In my wife's family, the women who married college guys, got degrees and those who didn't, didn't. Coincidentally, the college guys all happen to be mormons and the non-mormon spouses tend to not have degrees. But I think it has more to do with class/poverty level than religion in this case.
                        Last edited by Jacob; 01-18-2011, 11:01 AM.

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                        • SloanHater
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 1348

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                          My favorite
                          Recruiting tools

                          You do know these blogs are recruiting tools right? These women and there photos may not even be real. A few years ago they named a former advertising exec to head the church [advertising] and since then they launched a huge new "Alternative advertising campaign" last year to target new markets and are looking for ways to go "Viral." Like I tell my daughter, never assume what you read on the internet is the truth unless you can verify the sources yourself.
                          He really is a great guy and brilliant. He's the one behind the great, new Mormon.org.

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                          • TripletDaddy
                            sweet triple
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 58186

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                            My wife has a degree. My sister does not, nor does my mother. One sister in law does, one doesn't. All are very successful. I can think of loads of Mormon wives and mothers without degrees. And it makes absolutely no difference to me whether they do or don't.
                            Really? It makes no difference to you whether women have furthered their education? I think you may have phrased that poorly.
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                            • Jacob
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6801

                              #29
                              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                              Really? It makes no difference to you whether women have furthered their education? I think you may have phrased that poorly.
                              That's right. Maybe I phrased it poorly or you simply misunderstand. I don't judge a person based upon whether they finished their degree. It doesn't matter to me. I was contrasting this with your previous statement that you wife shuns the non degree holders. I judge a person based upon the content of their character, and whether they annoy me.

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                              • Moliere
                                One man.....one pie
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 27910

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Mrs. Funk View Post
                                I prefer your wife's kind of questioning to the fifty times I heard, "So how many kids do you have?" when first we moved into our new ward.
                                Not that I think the question is entirely okay to ask, especially when you just met someone, but it is a litmus question for determining orthodoxy and obedience. I'm not saying it's a good litmus question, it's just one that people ask a lot at church and it has subconscious implications depending on how you answer. It's also a question that is relevant to find out who to incorporate into organized playgroups and a way to connect with people.

                                I do like your idea and will probably start asking women where they went to college before I ask about children.
                                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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