Racial headings changed in BOM

[Sleeping in EQ]

Interesting. But (if I read the article right), are there not eight more "white and delightsome" sightings in the BOM? Why change one but not all?

Indeed. As I mentioned to DDD, there is textual support to change 2 Nephi 30 (Joseph Smith made this change in 1840 and it was overlooked in subsequent editions until 1981).

I've only browsed Skousen's book on changes to the Book of Mormon, but I doubt there is the same kind of textual support for other changes to "white and delightsome."

There are a number of questions that are begged....

[woot]

If the Nephites and Lamanites were racist, why would we eliminate this from the book? Should we also eliminate racism from US history?

The issue isn't that the Nephites and Lamanites were racist; the BoM is. The native American origin story it provides just ain't true, and is no less racist than the black origin story in the Bible.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I'm going to play a card here:

I think one of the main themes in the Book of Mormon is the destructiveness and futility of things like ethnic bias (discrimination based on "ites" if you will). I wouldn't mind those passages staying in the text if they were consistenly taught as part of what lead to needless destruction. I wouldn't mind guiding that interpretation in a footnote, either.

[Indy Coug]

I'm going to play a card here:

I think one of the main themes in the Book of Mormon is the destructiveness and futility of things like ethnic bias (discrimination based on "ites" if you will). I wouldn't mind those passages staying in the text if they were consistenly taught as part of what lead to needless destruction. I wouldn't mind guiding that interpretation in a footnote, either.

Like the idyllic commentary in 4th Nephi where it says there were no manner of -Ites.

[SeattleUte]

Like the idyllic commentary in 4th Nephi where it says there were no manner of -Ites.

I was thinking recently that I miss the old days when Indy would post a link to the Kon-Tiki web site for proof that the Book of Mormon is a historical record.

[Indy Coug]

I was thinking recently that I miss the old days when Indy would post a link to the Kon-Tiki web site for proof that the Book of Mormon is a historical record.

I certainly don't miss the days when SU deliberately lies about what I've posted in the past.

[Moliere]

The issue isn't that the Nephites and Lamanites were racist; the BoM is. The native American origin story it provides just ain't true, and is no less racist than the black origin story in the Bible.

Thanks for letting me know the story wasn't true. Gosh, you are a big help.

Now, if you assume the BoM was written by the Nephites and Lamanites and Jaredites and Whateverites, then you assume that they were racist in their writings. Why go back and rewrite what they wrote to soften the verbiage? I understand this is a tough thing for the church given the stance on the BoM being the most correct book, but even I can realize that the verbiage in 2 Nephi indicates that the curse was not black skin, but the black skin was a way to indicate those that were cursed. Couple that with the LDS belief that we are punished for our own sins (not those of our parents or other forebearers back to Adam) and the whole thing seems like a moot point.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Like the idyllic commentary in 4th Nephi where it says there were no manner of -Ites.

I think that 4th Nephi can be taught as "what to do" and the violence over "ites" as "what not to do."

[SeattleUte]

I certainly don't miss the days when SU deliberately lies about what I've posted in the past.

Caught!

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpost.php?p=77292&postcount=28

[Indy Coug]

Caught!

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...2&postcount=28

You doofus, you're the one that referenced Heyerdahl, not me.

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpost.php?p=77289&postcount=27

[Surfah]

You doofus, you're the one that referenced Heyerdahl, not me.

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...9&postcount=27

ClouSeaU strikes again!

[SeattleUte]

You doofus, you're the one that referenced Heyerdahl, not me.

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...9&postcount=27

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpost.php?p=77241&postcount=48

Kon-Tiki was a reed boat. That was the whole point.

[Indy Coug]

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...1&postcount=48

Kon-Tiki was a reed boat. That was the whole point.

And that was offered proof of the Book of Mormon? I framed that as potential evidence of a Middle Eastern - New World interaction, not as Book of Mormon historical evidence. AFAIK, there is no reference in the Book of Mormon to reed boat manufacture.

Besides, I didn't realize that Book of Mormon archaeologists were focusing on Lake Titicaca.

[Uncle Ted]

That same year, a verse that used “white and delightsome” to describe what will happen to dark-skinned peoples when they repent was changed to “pure and delightsome.”

Oh, so that's how Michael Jackson and Sammy Sosa became white (and delightsome)...

[Indy Coug]

Oh, so that's how Michael Jackson and Sammy Sosa became white (and delightsome)...

Jay Leno just called: he wants his chin back.