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This could change, but as it stands, no more US missionaries in Switzerland in 2012.
This could change, but as it stands, no more US missionaries in Switzerland in 2012.
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That's ok if Swaziland doesn't want us. We're big in Japan. Just ask MBN and Tim.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
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My thoughts are neutral on this subject.Comment
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I thought Hatch's quote was pretty funny. Not sure that's the argument that's going to get anything accomplished:
Integral? I'm sure the Swiss will rue the day they stopped letting Americans knock on their doors 10 hours a day. Not sure what the history of non-proselyting related service is in that mission but if it's anything like mine was in Holland/Belgium there's not much of an argument to be made when it comes to defending the value of your program anyway."Missionaries from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have been an integral part of the Swiss landscape for 160 years. I'm disappointed the Swiss government is moving forward with a process that will ban missionaries, including LDS missionaries, by 2012," Hatch said Tuesday.Comment
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Screw them. See how much hot chocolate I buy now.Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
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It was probably something you did.Originally posted by filsdepac View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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When I think of Switzerland, cows, Alps, cheese and missionaries always comes to mind.Originally posted by SteelBlue View PostComment
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"Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.Comment
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On a more serious note, maybe this will change the way missionary work is done in Europe. Missionaries are obviously viewed as "employees" of the church, and why shouldn't they be. They knock doors and contact people trying to get them to convert all while receiving money in their bank accounts, which money comes directly from the church. Missionary service (proselyting) is not real service.
I do wonder if the church could get approval to have missionaries there if they weren't directly financed by the church (meaning we got back to the old way of missionaries being directly financed by themselves or their family/friends). This would result in a loss of a tax deduction, but it could be better viewed less as "employment" and more as "service". Just a thought."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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How is it any less? The missionary still gets less money that the family pays for them to be there. He gets 50 bucks or so every 2 weeks, while the family pays 400 a month. How would it be any different than the family just sending him checks for rent, food, and 100 bucks to spend a month?Originally posted by Eddie Jones View PostComment
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Not less money, less appearance of being an employee of the church.Originally posted by Maximus View Post
In one situation the missionary receives his assistance directly from teh church. In the other the missionary uses his own money from his own bank account to pay for his mission expenses (food, rent, utilities, etc.). He is basically a tourist that happens to proselyte on the side
"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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This has been discussed in many a thread. Does the church allow 19 yr olds to serve a "service" mission like older couples do? I would think that this might be a good option for many kids. They could still study and do some proselytizing but limit it to 10 hours a week and the rest would be humanitarian service (opposite of what many missions are now).Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
Just some thoughts..."Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.Comment
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They do, but these are often limited to disabled missionaries AFAIK. We had one such Elder who lived near the mission office. He was severely disabled after a sledding accident as a kid. His parents would drop him off at the mission office and he would do odd jobs and clerical work as he was able. When he had enough or it was time to go his parents would come pick him up. The kid was golden and a mission favorite.Originally posted by Sullyute View Post"Nobody listens to Turtle."-TurtlesigpicComment
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Appearnce to who? Does any govt. care if the funds are placed by the church after the parents pay the church of if the funds are put in by the parents?Originally posted by Eddie Jones View PostNot less money, less appearance of being an employee of the church.
In one situation the missionary receives his assistance directly from teh church. In the other the missionary uses his own money from his own bank account to pay for his mission expenses (food, rent, utilities, etc.). He is basically a tourist that happens to proselyte on the sideComment
That is pure comedic genius 
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