Surgical Sterilization

[YOhio]

Sterilization is crucial. Infection is one of the hazards of surgery. You could die or lose a limb from that alone. Why is this controversial? I did read once people were afraid to wash in the Middle Ages. Maybe they do need to update the handbook.

This is no laughing matter, Shawn Kemp. A man of your virility needs to seriously consider the snippy-snip.

[Babs]

This is no laughing matter,

Of course it's not. This is a very potent subject.

[SeattleUte]

This is no laughing matter, Shawn Kemp. A man of your virility needs to seriously consider the snippy-snip.

lol you are not the first to have called me that.

I'm a modern man. I've had the procedure.

[LA Ute]

The new CHOI will be unveiled Nov. 12, I think. I'll be in South Bend that day and will miss the meeting. I'll bet all the important changes will be posted here before I get home on the 13th.

[doctorcoug]

Will one of the docs here clarify why getting the old snipper-roo is not a 100% certainty? I am ALWAYS hearing conception stories even after the old snip-snip.

For the vas, it is often because the male doesn't ejaculate enough post-op prior to having unprotected intercourse.

For the tubes, it just happens. The swimmers are pretty resilient dudes. I've seen multiple pregnancies post tubal.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I've seen multiple pregnancies post tubal.

Have you ever seen one following a hysterosalpingogram showing occlusion?

Serious question.

My wife and I required a lot of technological assistance to get our kids, and I have an OB and several FPs in the family so I am curious to hear.

[grapevine]

I heard of someone that got one but the doctors only gave him half of it and he had another kid

[UtahDan]

It will be the first thing I look for. I'll let you know.

I don't know how soon it will be, but I do think it will go the way of asking about oral sex in temple recommend interviews.

[ERCougar]

Sterilization is crucial. Infection is one of the hazards of surgery. You could die or lose a limb from that alone. Why is this controversial? I did read once people were afraid to wash in the Middle Ages. Maybe they do need to update the handbook.

Surgical procedures should always be controversial, particularly elective ones that induce permanent outcomes. The decision to not have another child is enormous and life-changing, and one where the influencing factors can change in an instant (a car accident, a new marriage, etc). Add to that that there are numerous other equally effective options that don't involve a surgical procedure and are not permanent. I wouldn't agree with the strict requirements laid out in the CHOI, but I would completely agree that this is a decision that should be made very carefully, and probably only after all other options have been exhausted.

Do you always think through ethical issues so carefully?

[CardiacCoug]

Surgical procedures should always be controversial, particularly elective ones that induce permanent outcomes. The decision to not have another child is enormous and life-changing, and one where the influencing factors can change in an instant (a car accident, a new marriage, etc). Add to that that there are numerous other equally effective options that don't involve a surgical procedure and are not permanent. I wouldn't agree with the strict requirements laid out in the CHOI, but I would completely agree that this is a decision that should be made very carefully, and probably only after all other options have been exhausted.

Do you always think through ethical issues so carefully?

I think SU was kidding -- he was riffing on the importance of observing aseptic, "sterile" technique while performing surgery, if I understand him correctly.

[ERCougar]

I think SU was kidding -- he was riffing on the importance of observing aseptic, "sterile" technique while performing surgery, if I understand him correctly.

Haaaa....oops.

[SuperGabers]

For the vas, it is often because the male doesn't ejaculate enough post-op prior to having unprotected intercourse.

For the tubes, it just happens. The swimmers are pretty resilient dudes. I've seen multiple pregnancies post tubal.

That just FLAT OUT sucks!

[Goatnapper'96]

My sister told me about a man in her ward in Kaysville, UT, who works for Deseret Book. According to my sister, Deseret Book won't pay for this man to get a vasectomy because it's against Church policy.

Now that's just an unsubstantiated anecdote, but my sister was right. It is against Church policy.

I was unaware of this.

I know several LDS who have been surgically sterilized. I consider only a few to be mentally incompetent. Has anyone ever received blowback from LDS authorities for elective sterilization?

Is this old, the current handbook recommends one visit with their Bishop before the big snip. I did not.

[Jacob]

Good for Deseret! Why should the company i.e. other employees on the company's insurance plan, pay for a mans vasectemy? Strange indeed.

[Art Vandelay]

Another reason I should be released... I have had couples come to me on 3 or 4 different occasions to specifically ask if they could or should double knot her fallopians or his vas deferens. In every instance I have gone rogue and mentioned nothing of this section of the handbook I went with the second easiest thing for any bishop to say- pray about it. Actually, my counsel is always that is between you, your spouse, and the Lord; it isn't anyone else's business IMO.