Eternal Families

[Sleeping in EQ]

Please vote!

[clackamascoug]

Define "Eternal Family."

Do you mean a bunch of 25 year olds having a past link that was so long ago, that it's difficult to remember why your an eternal family in the first place. That One?

[jay santos]

Most people seem to be able to pick aspects of the gospel they feel very certain about and some that are iffy. I'm sure even very orthodox members have things they say "well I think we just don't know much about that", even though the matter might have spelled out at some point in time by some church leader.

So take what is promising and discard what is threatening.

[Moliere]

Living the commandments gets you into the Celestial Kingdom: Promise or threat?

[byu71]

Please vote!

I voted promise, but I will admit through my long sojourn as a member of the LDS church, I have had eternal life, celestial kingdom, good health, riches, et. al. both based on priniciples of the gospel, used by one person via the promise method and another person via the threat method.

I myself respond better to the promise method. I think the only time I spoke out in Priesthood in a negative manner to another brother was when this rather fat member who was always preaching to others called out those who drank diet coke.

I just raised my hand and said, the only way we know if someone is keeping the word of wisdom is if we know they "walk and not be weary and run and not faint" or however it goes. I heard a few mumble true, true. My chubby friend said nothing.

[RobinFinderson]

I voted promise, but I will admit through my long sojourn as a member of the LDS church, I have had eternal life, celestial kingdom, good health, riches, et. al. both based on priniciples of the gospel, used by one person via the promise method and another person via the threat method.

I myself respond better to the promise method. I think the only time I spoke out in Priesthood in a negative manner to another brother was when this rather fat member who was always preaching to others called out those who drank diet coke.

I just raised my hand and said, the only way we know if someone is keeping the word of wisdom is if we know they "walk and not be weary and run and not faint" or however it goes. I heard a few mumble true, true. My chubby friend said nothing.

Actually, if someone 'walks without weariness and runs without being faint,' you can not conclude that they live the word of wisdom. Those blessing may be attained by some other promise. The contrapositive of the word of wisdom would be: If NOT (walk and not be weary...) then NOT (obeys word of wisdom).

Don't beat yourself up over this. Religious people get these matters of logic wrong all the time.

[happyone]

I voted promise, esp with my mother passing this summer.

[byu71]

Actually, if someone 'walks without weariness and runs without being faint,' you can not conclude that they live the word of wisdom. Those blessing may be attained by some other promise. The contrapositive of the word of wisdom would be: If NOT (walk and not be weary...) then NOT (obeys word of wisdom).

Don't beat yourself up over this. Religious people get these matters of logic wrong all the time.

You got to realize in Priesthood class, at least mine, deep thinkers such as yourself aren't there.

Most of the class understood what I was saying. "Before you judge the rest of us, perhaps you should lose some weight."

[RobinFinderson]

You got to realize in Priesthood class, at least mine, deep thinkers such as yourself aren't there.

Most of the class understood what I was saying. "Before you judge the rest of us, perhaps you should lose some weight."

Well, technically the contrapositive of the WOW applied in your case, so the implied meaning, which was "Before you judge the rest of us, perhaps you should lose some weight," was true, even though you fumbled the logic. To some is given the gift to state the contrapositive of all things, and to another is given the gift to know the contrapositive in one's heart, but to fail in speaking it with the lips. You clearly fall into the second category, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[byu71]

Well, technically the contrapositive of the WOW applied in your case, so the implied meaning, which was "Before you judge the rest of us, perhaps you should lose some weight," was true, even though you fumbled the logic. To some is given the gift to state the contrapositive of all things, and to another is given the gift to know the contrapositive in one's heart, but to fail in speaking it with the lips. You clearly fall into the second category, and there is nothing wrong with that.

You have used to many big words weaved artfully and crafted to confuse an old man. Fear not though, I shall bring the spirit with me tomorrow and we shall yet confound you.

[Green Monstah]

"Together Forever" seems like nothing more than a PR campaign to me. Granted, I'd love to be with my wife and kids forever, but it has little basis in scripture, and is overused as a way to get our emotions running.

If you're running your own galaxy, making infinite numbers of spirit children, when are you going to have time to sit down for a little celestial FHE?

The answer to the question is both. It's a promise given to us, but it's a threat that is often explicitly used to strike fear into those who may wish to step out of line.

[statman]

"Together Forever" seems like nothing more than a PR campaign to me. Granted, I'd love to be with my wife and kids forever, but it has little basis in scripture, and is overused as a way to get our emotions running.

If you're running your own galaxy, making infinite numbers of spirit children, when are you going to have time to sit down for a little celestial FHE?

The answer to the question is both. It's a promise given to us, but it's a threat that is often explicitly used to strike fear into those who may wish to step out of line.

The husband to wife sealing is pretty well explained - eternal increase and all that. The sealing of parents to children is not actually discussed all that much. We know that it's a saving ordinance, and I think we can assume it has something to do with Abraham's Covenant. But, I don't think the ramifications of us all being sealed together have ever really been revealed. We just know that it's important that we do it...

[wally]

BADUM-CHING!!!! He'll be here all week folks!