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  • How did you first learn Joseph Smith translated the BOM using peepstone?

    How did you first learn Joseph Smith translated the BOM using peepstone and head in hat while the gold plates were tucked away in a hidden location?

    please discuss your answer

    commentary: there are multiple translation techniques that are thought to be used during the BOM translation, but this one is agreed on by most LDS scholars (I believe) as one of the primary techniques.
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    South Park episode
    21.15%
    11
    Anti Mormon website/literature
    9.62%
    5
    Another LDS questioning or discussing amongst each other
    9.62%
    5
    Typical LDS channel, ie GC, Sunday meetings, Deseret Book publication, seminary/institute
    34.62%
    18
    LDS Apologetics
    5.77%
    3
    Other
    19.23%
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  • #2
    It was such a long time ago, I really don't remember. It might have been in my BYU Book of Mormon class before my mission.
    Everything in life is an approximation.

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    • #3
      I don't remember when I knew that one. It wasn't until my mission when I found out there were multiple versions of the first vision though. A baptist preacher told me about it.

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      • #4
        Primary. Star A.
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        • #5
          CUF
          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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          • #6
            I do remember thinking to myself that I didn't see much of a difference between looking into stones hooked up to an ancient apparatus and looking into a stone sitting in a hat.
            Everything in life is an approximation.

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            • #7
              Just now
              "To the man who only has a hammer, everything he encounters begins to look like a nail."
              —Abraham Maslow

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              • #8
                It was South Park. While they framed it as an object of ridicule, I really see it as practical, as sort of training wheels as Joseph was learning to focus and use the Seer's gift. Pearls before swine is all.
                "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                • #9
                  I voted South Park.

                  I was active my whole life, went to seminary, went to BYU, went on mission, paid attention in church, watched conference faithfully, read a ton of side books the typical stuff that's part of an LDS education.

                  I'm sure I came across this bit of information along the way but I had never internalized it. I assumed the plates were used for the translation and I misunderstood the Urim and Thumim to specifically refer to the spectacles-like object and that Joseph would look at the gold plates and translate from it.

                  I was peripherally aware of this peepstone head in hat thing but I somehow avoided learning these facts in depth and assumed it was an anti-Mormon lie. It wasn't until watching the South Park episode and thinking "anti-Mormon garbage" and then reading on Mormon apologetics sites that the South Park version was actually pretty faithful to the facts. This was in the last 10 years in my 30's.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WashingtonCoug View Post
                    Just now


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                      CUF
                      Not sure if wuap is serious or not but I learned about the stone in the felt hat here. I knew about the treasure seeking and I had heard about peepstones, but I didn't realize that the vast majority, if not all, of the BOM was translated with a stone in a hat. Apparently I lived a very sheltered life...
                      "Friendship is the grand fundamental principle of Mormonism" - Joseph Smith Jr.

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                      • #12
                        My 14 year old Sunday school class. The teacher was my best friend's dad and he was also an archeologist. I think his profession made him more inclined to be historically accurate. I remember being quite surprised and felt like my testimony took a huge hit that day. I remember wondering what else in the church wasn't very open about and why.

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                        • #13
                          I learned it very early on

                          probably Sunday school or primary. I bet I wasn't eight or 10 years old.

                          As an adult I've been shocked to learn how little many members actually know about the early church. JS's polyandry for one. It seems that LDS people I interact with today under the age of 35 know a very different church history than the one I was taught in the 60's.

                          This goes double for today's missionaries, who I can barely stand to engage in anything other than small talk about non-religious subjects.
                          The Holy War is over, and Utah won - Federal Ute

                          Think of how stupid the average American is. Then remember that half are even dumber than that. - George Carlin

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                          • #14
                            Rough Stone Rolling.

                            That doesn't seem to fit any of your categories. Probably closest to LDS Apologetics.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                              I do remember thinking to myself that I didn't see much of a difference between looking into stones hooked up to an ancient apparatus and looking into a stone sitting in a hat.
                              If that were the case, then you'd think that the'd have taught us how he really did it, instead of the other way.

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