The Daily Universe -- Defending Proposition 8

[Green Monstah]

Man, you are full of crap. You obviously haven't researched the situation beyond a visit to Drudge Report and a conversation with whatever wacko conservative in your ward that you favor for hot-button political "news." Catholic Charities was not faced with litigation nor the threat of it. They were a semi-governmental organization in that they primarily relied on financial assistance from the state of Mass. for their operational budget. In light of that fact, the state told them that they couldn't discriminate as long as they were receiving state operational funds, but that they would be free to create their own internal placement policies if they were willing to stop taking state funds. Since the organization couldn't cover their financial obligations without the financial assistance being provided by the state, they chose to close their doors rather than face the state's (completely reasonable) requirement that they not discriminate as long as they were accepting state funds.

As for LDS Family Services, you're again incorrect. LDS Family Services closed their Massachusetts office and moved ALL of their functions (not just adoption services, but individual and family counseling services, substance abuse recovery programs, general addiction recovery programs, etc.) to New Hampshire. But this has nothing to do with any threat of litigation or the gay marriage/adoption debate. LDS Family Services operates on a regional model wherein there are hub offices used to support multiple states. There are a large number of states that don't have LDS Family Services offices: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia. That's 22 states/districts out of 51 that don't have LDS Family Services offices.

Get your crap together and then you can start joining discussions with the adults.

Out of curiosity, when did this move take place??? I mean, Nashua, NH is a hub for Mormonism and all....

Actually, I really have friends in Mass. who lived in Mass. when LDS Family services was there and still live in Mass. now that it is in NH. To think it has nothing to do with the ACLU lawsuits is naive at best.

[Tim]

He may be wrong but I'm calling you on the personal attack on him. We don't need that nonsense here.

Where is there a personal attack in my post? Harsh, perhaps, but not personal.

[Green Monstah]

Where is there a personal attack in my post? Harsh, perhaps, but not personal.

It's okay, I'm not offended. I do read drudge report, but I've never read an article re: LDS family services.

I'll be completely honest, though, all my sources are anectdotal (but do in fact include the family I referenced above).

[Tim]

Out of curiosity, when did this move take place??? I mean, Nashua, NH is a hub for Mormonism and all....

Actually, I really have friends in Mass. who lived in Mass. when LDS Family services was there and still live in Mass. now that it is in NH. To think it has nothing to do with the ACLU lawsuits is naive at best.

NH, Vermont, Maine, and Massachusetts are all served by the NH office. I don't know when the move took place, but the burden of proof is on you to provide information on this supposed evacuation of MA due to an ACLU threat. You're the one making the assertion here.

Cost of living and running a business in Boston is sky-high.

[wuapinmon]

Out of curiosity, when did this move take place??? I mean, Nashua, NH is a hub for Mormonism and all....

Actually, I really have friends in Mass. who lived in Mass. when LDS Family services was there and still live in Mass. now that it is in NH. To think it has nothing to do with the ACLU lawsuits is naive at best.

For the same reasons that the New Orleans bishops' storehouse is across the damned lake in frickin' Slidell! (a note: It's a good thing it's in Slidell, because if it had been in NOLA, it would've been ruined).

[Green Monstah]

NH, Vermont, Maine, and Massachusetts are all served by the NH office. I don't know when the move took place, but the burden of proof is on you to provide information on this supposed evacuation of MA due to an ACLU threat. You're the one making the assertion here.

OK. I'll put together a timeline, but can't guarantee everything will be backed up by a news article from a news source that you find credible.

I grew up in Maine, and I realize that the New England states are probably serviced by the Nashua office. I think it's funny, however, that the move is far less convenient for the bulk of the latter day saints in those states (most of whom live in the metro Boston area) and those who live north of Kittery, ME.

I'll doublecheck with my friends and see if I can tie up these loose ends.

As a sidenote, don't you think you'd want to know something like when the move took place before you flame someone and make the claim that the flight of LDSFS has nothing whatsoever to do with litigation in Mass.?? Probably. Then again, I'm basing my assertions on heartfelt discussions with good friends....

[Green Monstah]

For the same reasons that the New Orleans bishops' storehouse is across the damned lake in frickin' Slidell! (a note: It's a good thing it's in Slidell, because if it had been in NOLA, it would've been ruined).

And why is that?

[wuapinmon]

OK. I'll put together a timeline, but can't guarantee everything will be backed up by a news article from a news source that you find credible.

I grew up in Maine, and I realize that the New England states are probably serviced by the Nashua office. I think it's funny, however, that the move is far less convenient for the bulk of the latter day saints in those states (most of whom live in the metro Boston area) and those who live north of Kittery, ME.

I'll doublecheck with my friends and see if I can tie up these loose ends.

As a sidenote, don't you think you'd want to know something like when the move took place before you flame someone and make the claim that the flight of LDSFS has nothing whatsoever to do with litigation in Mass.?? Probably. Then again, I'm basing my assertions on heartfelt discussions with good friends....

Since when, and I'm being serious while also being sarcastic, has "convenience" ever ever ever mattered to the LDS Church?

[wuapinmon]

And why is that?

You might've heard about it on the news:

[Green Monstah]

Since when, and I'm being serious while also being sarcastic, has "convenience" ever ever ever mattered to the LDS Church?

I don't know...when there's a $9mm church building on every other block in Utah County, I'd say it may be the governing principle surrounding LDS facilities.

[Green Monstah]

You might've heard about it on the news:

Does not compute. I understand that a Hurricane hit NOLA....I just don't understand your analogy to the Bishop's storehouse.

[TheBYUGuy]

no offfense to TJM...perhaps he does talk to god...just that the letter was generally pathetic, in my view

Who? TJ-Maxx?

[wuapinmon]

Does not compute. I understand that a Hurricane hit NOLA....I just don't understand your analogy to the Bishop's storehouse.

The bulk of LDS live WEST of NOLA, and Slidell is EAST, across the lake, over a very very very long bridge.

[Art Vandelay]

Where is there a personal attack in my post? Harsh, perhaps, but not personal.

You've consummated your marriage haven't you? I expected a kindler gentler Tim post honeymoon...

[LA Ute]

Where is there a personal attack in my post? Harsh, perhaps, but not personal.

Oh, come now. If you ever disagree with me, I hope you won't tell me, "Get your crap together and then you can start joining discussions with the adults."