BYU requirements and going back to strick orthodoxy

[Jeff Lebowski]

Dude, I think that he has a point. I think the only place where it is overstated is saying it is "most parents." I think you change that to "some parents" and it is spot on.

"Some parents murder their children."

Also, a factually true statement.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Counter-opinion from Deseret News. By Hal Boyd, who is now chief of staff for Shane Reese.

https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2025...th-byu-future/

Once again, BYU is supported and guided by a Church Board of Education, chaired by the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as well as BYU’s executive committee, consisting of Elder D. Todd Christofferson and Elder Ronald A. Rasband, both members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, Elder Michael T. Ringwood, a General Authority Seventy, and Sister Camille N. Johnson, General President of the Church’s Relief Society.

During a moment in which so many institutions of higher learning have lost a focus on students and a sense of moral grounding, BYU’s leadership knows what the institution is and what it must become. Of course, not every student or faculty member is the right fit for an explicitly religious university that overtly supports and upholds the values, positions, policies and teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That’s OK.

Not everyone is a good fit for the Air Force Academy or West Point, either. Nor is every student the right fit for Yeshiva, Catholic University, or Wheaton College. There are, thankfully, hundreds of institutions of higher learning in the United States.

But religious institutions like Pepperdine, Baylor or BYU contribute something unique in the modern educational landscape. They seek to stake out clear moral propositions and build educational communities that support the whole person during a time when so many young people face societal trends toward atomization and isolation.

Such communities require shared standards. The Air Force Academy demands rigor and expectations that transform young cadets into officers of the armed forces. BYU’s mission is different — to transform students into disciple-scholars, lifelong followers of Jesus Christ. Its shared honor code, ecclesiastical endorsement and hiring standards ensure a community focused on cultivating this common goal.

Some will see such a vision and environment as compelling. Others will disagree and even criticize BYU’s approach or goals. Those of us who support BYU can engage critics with love, humility and patience. That’s all part of BYU becoming the Christ-centered, prophetically directed university.

But it doesn’t hurt to take note of the migratory trends.

[Maximus]

we wouldnt want any professors posting anything related to lgbt members of their family, cant have that at byu

[Moliere]

I’m not shocked that an entity that pours over $1 billion a year into a university (and owns and runs the university) has strict requirements on who can attend and teach at that university. I have zero problems with that and it’s always been that way. BYU has also been more than liberal on helping faith struggling students continue to attend.

id love for students that have no intention of staying members of the church go to a different university, one that fits their world view, so my kids can attend BYU.

[Moliere]

we wouldnt want any professors posting anything related to lgbt members of their family, cant have that at byu

I’d be surprised if BYU fired anyone over posting about lgbt family members.

[bluegoose]

id love for students that have no intention of staying members of the church go to a different university, one that fits their world view( .... See below), so my kids can attend BYU.

..... and is heavily subsidized so that the cost of attendance is one of the best values in the country.

[RC Vikings]

"Some parents murder their children."

Also, a factually true statement.

FTR, I said plenty, not most. Look at the reaction when Prof Cardon posted his anti Trump message. Also the university can do what they want, I was just expressing the feeling I get reading post on CB and what they expect.

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/me...ml?id=34157897

[Maximus]

I’m not shocked that an entity that pours over $1 billion a year into a university (and owns and runs the university) has strict requirements on who can attend and teach at that university. I have zero problems with that and it’s always been that way. BYU has also been more than liberal on helping faith struggling students continue to attend.

id love for students that have no intention of staying members of the church go to a different university, one that fits their world view, so my kids can attend BYU.

diversity of thought is good for university students. now you cant have any non mormon experts? the quality of education necessarily goes down if temple recommend is a requirement. there is aboustely no reason to have professors needing to be loyal to all church positions on politics. it is ridiculous.

[Shaka]

I thought this was an interesting thread.

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[LVAllen]

I thought this was an interesting thread.

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Interesting. He claims the BYU process self-selects for shit but faithful profs or great, all-in profs who are willing to sacrifice but doesn't explain how selecting for shit-level profs contradicts his own narrative that BYU is student-focused. Costco doesn't become Costco by serving up low prices for terrible products.

[Maximus]

why should byu have stricter requirements than the temple recommend? pretty sure you can disagree with church politics and have a recommend. but no go on professors.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Interesting. He claims the BYU process self-selects for shit but faithful profs or great, all-in profs who are willing to sacrifice but doesn't explain how selecting for shit-level profs contradicts his own narrative that BYU is student-focused. Costco doesn't become Costco by serving up low prices for terrible products.

Because he is wrong about the process.

[Donuthole]

why should byu have stricter requirements than the temple recommend? pretty sure you can disagree with church politics and have a recommend. but no go on professors.

Why should a mission have stricter requirements than normal life? Pretty sure you can have long hair and hold a temple recommend. Why can’t a missionary have long hair then? Or go on dates while on a mission? It’s because it’s what you signed up for. Nobody forces anyone to go on a mission, and nobody forces anyone to go to ByU. But if you want to do either, the rules are explained to you before you sign up/accept. And you agreed to the rules. This isn’t a difficult concept.

[Maximus]

Why should a mission have stricter requirements than normal life? Pretty sure you can have long hair and hold a temple recommend. Why can’t a missionary have long hair then? Or go on dates while on a mission? It’s because it’s what you signed up for. Nobody forces anyone to go on a mission, and nobody forces anyone to go to ByU. But if you want to do either, the rules are explained to you before you sign up/accept. And you agreed to the rules. This isn’t a difficult concept.

the rules and practices change yearly. it wasnt a rule a few years ago. proponents need to show a reason why it is needed.

Byu changes its rules all the time but we are accept the rules because they are the rules? makes no sense. it is all dynamic

[Moliere]

diversity of thought is good for university students. now you cant have any non mormon experts? the quality of education necessarily goes down if temple recommend is a requirement. there is aboustely no reason to have professors needing to be loyal to all church positions on politics. it is ridiculous.

Requiring people to have temple recommends doesn’t impact diversity of thought in the business or accounting school. In fact, it only hampers diversity of thought in the religious school, but no one is making th case that it’s a true religious school as it’s clearly just an extension of CES. I think there’s a case to be made that BYU has as much, if not more, diversity of thought than your more liberal college given the cancel culture and insane policies employed there that limit free speech.