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Good heavens.Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
I worked with the YM of my stake in a position of leadership for over 2 years. The YMP and I worked together with the boys the entire time. I'm still very active with some of the boys as a father figure because their home situations are not ideal. (We have some single mom families, father in prison, father that's a child abuser) The boys in question stop by my house on a weekly basis so I assume that the YMP felt I had some skin in the game.
We had 4 boys sit with us during sacrament, they were extremely embarrassed.Comment
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What's unfortuate here is that there had to be a specified reason to ask them to sit this one out, when fast sunday is the perfect opportunity to let then men handle it. I remember growing up that the Elders and High Priests would prep, bless, and pass the sacrament on fast sunday every month. I'm not sure when that changed, but I don't believe it has been done in any of the 3 wards I've been in since I've been married.
If they had taken this approach, then maybe they could've had a lesson centered around the subject matter for what they got in trouble for. No harsh words, no accusations, more of a "be careful" type thing. Then you put the ball in the young men's court and move on. Of course, you would have to have the right person deliver such a lesson. Sounds like fus might be the right man for the job."They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.Comment
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I don't care if you're the kids' father, it's still inappropriate. When I was 12 and told the bishop I occasionally gratified myself, I hope to hell the bishop didn't go off and tell my dad about it.Originally posted by fusnik View Post"The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuaneComment
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I think the thing that is inappropriate is that the YMP told you the reason. Should have just stuck with "the Bishop wants to try something new and have the Elders handle the sacrament every now and then" and left it at that.A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad AliComment
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Big effing deal. Just because you're friends with kids doesn't give you the right to their private and personal worthiness report card. If they had shared it with you it is one thing. The YMP is discussing this with you is completely inappropriate in my opinion.Originally posted by fusnik View PostA man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life. - Mohammad AliComment
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I woulda had the girls pass the sacrament."I'm going to go back to CUF now, where the censorship is less, the average IQ is higher, and we don't have to deal with so much of this nonsense. Goodbye." - SoonerCougComment
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A 12 yo's parents are the only ones that should have that information.Originally posted by Non Sequitur View PostComment
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I think the leaders forget how they acted, talked and thought about when they were that age.
I'll wager the majority of the self-righteous leaders talked the exact same way when they were that age.Comment
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Yep, because they are without sin just by nature of being women. Hey, they don't even need the Priesthood so I'm sure they could handle the sacrament without problem.Originally posted by The Fourth Nephite View Post"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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I agree with this. These things should be kept confidential at all costs. The YMP is out of line in sharing it. He could easily lose trust with the young men if they find out he's blabbering to people about their indiscretions.Originally posted by CJF View Post
I feel for the bishop as he is in a no win situation. Obviously he felt he had to do something and probably didn't have time to correctly deal wiht the issue. I'm sure if given a couple days he would have been able to interview them and all would have been fine."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. UchtdorfComment
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My only standard for worthiness would be desire. If a kid spanks the monkey on Tuesday, but still wants to pass the sacrament, I say let him. My remarks were more aimed at the church standards for worthiness. It would be tough to find a teenage boy that would be worthy by those standards.Originally posted by pellegrino View PostJust try it once. One beer or one cigarette or one porno movie won't hurt. - Dallin H. OaksComment
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Learn to effing read, in no way shape or form do I feel entitled to their private and personal information. I asked a benign question and was given a specific answer.Originally posted by CJF View PostComment
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Originally posted by fusnik View PostOriginally posted by fusnik View Post
To answer your question: You were both wrong.
The YMP had no business sharing information with you learned in PEC.
You have no stewardship over the YMP or bishop, so I say you shoulda kept your mouth shut, unless your son was involved. To me, this is just another case of being a busy-body.Comment
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