Has illegal immigration been talked.....

[fusnik]

about at your church?

We've had a couple of comments but nothing too crazy. The typical, obey law of the land talk. My in-laws told me that they had members of their Stake Presidency visit every class this past Sunday to stop the talk of immigration at church. My MIL told me that they have had multiple talks and lessons that focus on the subject over the past couple of months.

[Indy Coug]

We have numerous illegals in our ward. The talk centers around trying to find ways to help them when the help available is so limited.

No, these aren't discussions in SS or Priesthood. I haven't heard anything about immigration in those meetings.

[byu71]

Why does the church have hispanic and polynesian wards. Are they worried the white wards wouldn't let them have good jobs in the ward.

[Uncle Ted]

If there was any arizona-like talk about immigration in our stake I think our spanish ward would be half its size.

Where are your in-laws, fusnik?

[Clark Addison]

We haven't had any talk in our ward. It isn't as big an issue here as I imagine it is in Arizona, California, or the CougarBoard 4th ward.

[Indy Coug]

Why does the church have hispanic and polynesian wards. Are they worried the white wards wouldn't let them have good jobs in the ward.

For one, it's logistically more difficult to have bilingual meetings. You end up being short handed with translators, most of whom just can't do a good enough job or you end up having duplicate versions of every class; one in Spanish and one in English.

Once the local branch became Spanish-only this year, attendance went up because of the Spanish members and investigators that struggled with how much of the block was in English no longer had that problem.

[byu71]

For one, it's logistically more difficult to have bilingual meetings. You end up being short handed with translators, most of whom just can't do a good enough job or you end up having duplicate versions of every class; one in Spanish and one in English.

Once the local branch became Spanish-only this year, attendance went up because of the Spanish members and investigators that struggled with how much of the block was in English no longer had that problem.

While that makes sense, I do wonder about the effects on the overall society when you have a subset of the culture that you basically tell, you don't need to fit into the whole culture.

Does anyone know if the immigrants of the past had to find a way to become a part of the greater culture. Are we going to have a greater chance of becoming very "us vs them". Countries within a Country. How has this worked historically in other countries.

[Indy Coug]

While that makes sense, I do wonder about the effects on the overall society when you have a subset of the culture that you basically tell, you don't need to fit into the whole culture.

Does anyone know if the immigrants of the past had to find a way to become a part of the greater culture. Are we going to have a greater chance of becoming very "us vs them". Countries within a Country. How has this worked historically in other countries.

Membership in the branch is strictly voluntary and they can move to the English wards if they wish, or vice versa. Several Latino members chose English wards instead.

[byu71]

Membership in the branch is strictly voluntary and they can move to the English wards if they wish, or vice versa. Several Latino members chose English wards instead.

I probably ought to tell my son about Spanish branches. They might be more tolerant of the length of skirt my DIL wears. At a couple of the get togethers I have attended with her family, all the girls wear shorter skirts. She comes from a very attractive family.

[falafel]

While that makes sense, I do wonder about the effects on the overall society when you have a subset of the culture that you basically tell, you don't need to fit into the whole culture.

Does anyone know if the immigrants of the past had to find a way to become a part of the greater culture. Are we going to have a greater chance of becoming very "us vs them". Countries within a Country. How has this worked historically in other countries.

I agree with this. I hope by the time MBN's family returns to the land of the rising sun their english ward has been completely dissolved and entirely assimilated into the japanese stakes. Did you know that MBN's kids go to an american school over there too?

[Indy Coug]

I went to a Dutch ward in The Hague. All of the Americans/Brits sat on the back 5 or 6 pews away from the Dutch members and listened to the meeting through headphones with translation from the missionaries. After sacrament, we would go to a building across the street and have our SS and primary classes separately from the Dutch members.

[byu71]

I agree with this. I hope by the time MBN's family returns to the land of the rising sun their english ward has been completely dissolved and entirely assimilated into the japanese stakes. Did you know that MBN's kids go to an american school over there too?

Has MBN become a Japanese citizen or does he intend on becoming one. Is he there illegally.

[falafel]

Has MBN become a Japanese citizen or does he intend on becoming one.

I doubt it. So, in that respect, I'm sure he's in the same boat as most spanish-speaking immigrants in this country.

[Tick's wife]

about at your church?

We've had a couple of comments but nothing too crazy. The typical, obey law of the land talk. My in-laws told me that they had members of their Stake Presidency visit every class this past Sunday to stop the talk of immigration at church. My MIL told me that they have had multiple talks and lessons that focus on the subject over the past couple of months.

if the church wants us to obey the laws of the land, why do they send out illegals on missions?

[byu71]

I doubt it. So, in that respect, I'm sure he's in the same boat as most spanish-speaking immigrants in this country.

You have me at a disadvantage. I don't know MBN's situation. Is he an immigrant in Japan? He is not there temporarily, but plans on living there permanently?

I don't know Japan's immigration policy either. Do they have open borders? In other words, could I move there without any paperwork and start functioning in their society?

I was just asking a question about historical assimilation in other Countries. I wouldn't have picked Japan as being a very open assimilating society, but then again I don't know much about Japan.