I learned in church today

[pellegrino]

What I've seen is that scouting was always a separate budget category separated from YM/YW and that the total of YM + scouting was always significantly higher than YW, and cubs scouts takes a larger chunk of the primary budget than does activity days.

I'll grant that once you factor in what the stake pays for girls camp, it may not be as skewed.

find out what the average stake pays for girls camp and we'll have a better idea.

Anyone have any clue about those kind of numbers?

[LVAllen]

was the YM budget amount before or after they paid for the scouting charter fees? I suspect the number you saw was the amount given to the YM after paying for scouting.

Neither the ward nor the stake pays for the charter fees. Salt Lake pays national directly.

[LVAllen]

What I've seen is that scouting was always a separate budget category separated from YM/YW and that the total of YM + scouting was always significantly higher than YW, and cubs scouts takes a larger chunk of the primary budget than does activity days.

I'll grant that once you factor in what the stake pays for girls camp, it may not be as skewed.

In that last seven years, two wards, and three bishops that I've been privy to budget figures, "YM" covered scouting, and was roughly equivalent to YW. Not universal, to be sure, but that was my experience.

[Uncle Ted]

find out what the average stake pays for girls camp and we'll have a better idea.

Anyone have any clue about those kind of numbers?

I don't know but the church has to have a good amount of money into just the Heber Valley girl's camp. Just the retaining wall for the road leading into the place had to cost more than I want to think about. Not to mention all the volunteered time from folks that work on it and senior missionaries that run it. I can't think of any scout/YM's camps like that the church owns. Does the average stake pay for girl's camps like this out of their budgets?

[Moliere]

I believe our stake pays somewhere between $5k and $10k for girls camp. The girls have to raise (or pay) about $100 on top of that, which they easily raise each year through our annual Ward auction. Of course, we don't have the ability to attend a LDS church camp so it's usually at some other denominations camp, which we have to rent out for the entire week...which isn't cheap since all women want air conditioned cabins.

[Bo Diddley]

was the YM budget amount before or after they paid for the scouting charter fees? I suspect the number you saw was the amount given to the YM after paying for scouting.

I'm sure results vary, but in our ward, the charter fees are paid by the members through the FOS drive.

[LVAllen]

I'm sure results vary, but in our ward, the charter fees are paid by the members through the FOS drive.

None of your FOS donations go to pay for charter fees.

[Moliere]

None of your FOS donations go to pay for charter fees.

Yeah, his stake leaders are either being willfully ignorant or deceitful.

[imanihonjin]

Yeah, his stake leaders are either being willfully ignorant or deceitful.

Yeah, those are the only two possibilities.

[Paperback Writer]

I believe our stake pays somewhere between $5k and $10k for girls camp. The girls have to raise (or pay) about $100 on top of that, which they easily raise each year through our annual Ward auction. Of course, we don't have the ability to attend a LDS church camp so it's usually at some other denominations camp, which we have to rent out for the entire week...which isn't cheap since all women want air conditioned cabins.

That's unreal. My Dallas area stake cannot be more impoverished than your Houston one. Maybe your stake is larger and has more YW. But by daughter's 2-year experience with girls camp is that there is no way our stake is spending anywhere close to that. This summer, they were in tents for a couple of days and then for the last day some of the older YW went canoeing and slept on the ground the last night - they didn't bring the tents in their canoes. Something fishy seems to be going with funds in my stake. Maybe they are hoarding funds for the next pioneer trek that everyone hates.

[Omaha 680]

None of your FOS donations go to pay for charter fees.

This reminds me I got a donaton solicitation from the BSA Greater New York Council the other day. Return address: Empire State Building, 78th floor.

[kccougar]

find out what the average stake pays for girls camp and we'll have a better idea.

Anyone have any clue about those kind of numbers?

It's just too hard to track. Take for instance wards/stakes in Utah that use the Heber Girl's Camp. Relatively small expense for the Stake (again, not typically passed on to the ward budget) because is it Church owned and Church run. But that camp cost MILLIONS to build while boys' scout camp expenses are paid through the ward to the BSA for their camps. Just one example. There are plenty on either side, which just tells me anyone trying to keep track to make sure things are "fair" is just spinning their wheels.

[kccougar]

I'm sure results vary, but in our ward, the charter fees are paid by the members through the FOS drive.

That is incorrect.

[kccougar]

I don't know but the church has to have a good amount of money into just the Heber Valley girl's camp. Just the retaining wall for the road leading into the place had to cost more than I want to think about. Not to mention all the volunteered time from folks that work on it and senior missionaries that run it. I can't think of any scout/YM's camps like that the church owns. Does the average stake pay for girl's camps like this out of their budgets?

Didn't see this before I posted.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

This reminds me I got a donaton solicitation from the BSA Greater New York Council the other day. Return address: Empire State Building, 78th floor.

I bet those guys look like idiots standing in the elevators surrounded by tailored suits in their green shorts and too tight khaki shirts.