I learned in church today

[Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

That notion will go over swimmingly in parts of the world where the household income is $30/month.

(Not necessarily learned IN church, but church related): This week I learned that when my father in law was made bishop in the late 80s/early 90s, he FORBAD the youth leaders from teaching the soul-crushing and emotionally scarring 'sexual morality' lessons. That put an end to the 'chewed gum' and 'licked cupcake' lessons that caused long term psychological scarring of so many young women in the church around that time frame.

I say, good for him!

Um...what?

[FMCoug]

That notion will go over swimmingly in parts of the world where the household income is $30/month.

(Not necessarily learned IN church, but church related): This week I learned that when my father in law was made bishop in the late 80s/early 90s, he FORBAD the youth leaders from teaching the soul-crushing and emotionally scarring 'sexual morality' lessons. That put an end to the 'chewed gum' and 'licked cupcake' lessons that caused long term psychological scarring of so many young women in the church around that time frame.

I say, good for him!

I think one about the brownies with just a tiny speck of feces in them is the best of those types of lessons currently making the rounds.

[Pheidippides]

I think one about the brownies with just a tiny speck of feces in them is the best of those types of lessons currently making the rounds.

Ooh, that's a new one!

[NorthwestUteFan]

Um...what?

I haven't seen the topic in about a year or more. Search for 'licked cupcake', 'bruised flower', chewed gum', etc on this site. Plenty of info.

Essentially, the lessons taught the girls that if they ever 'got busy' prior to marriage, they were essentially worthless in the eyes of God and no worthy, RM, eligible bachelor would ever consider marrying them. It was tantamount to an 'unpardonable sin' that no amount of repentance could expunge.

I don't know whether these examples were in the manuals but too many disparate women had the same lessons in a wide variety of locations to limit it to just a few YW leaders.

Many women I know claim those lessons affect their sexuality later in life, even in marriage.

I think one about the brownies with just a tiny speck of feces in them is the best of those types of lessons currently making the rounds.

UGH!! Why do people think those are valuable object lessons?

[LA Ute]

Ooh, that's a new one!

I have heard it used in connection with movies, books, music, etc., not chastity. I don't like it in that context either.

[BigPiney]

I think one about the brownies with just a tiny speck of feces in them is the best of those types of lessons currently making the rounds.

I have never heard these in relation to chastity. It was always about media choices, like this movie isn't so bad there are just a few boobies, or this song is not so bad there is only 2 f words. That kind of thing.

And who doesn't like poo brownies?

[NorthwestUteFan]

I have heard it used in connection with movies, books, music, etc., not chastity. I don't like it in that context either.

I also heard the 'cockroach in the blender with the fruit smoothie' analogy applied to offensive movies/tv shows. I don't like these analogies in any context.

The point of my original comment was that my uber-pharisaical FIL was wise enough, as the father of 6 girls, to order a complete end to these discussions because they had gone so far overboard. I was very proud of him after hearing that.

[NorthwestUteFan]

I have never heard these in relation to chastity.

It was mostly the YW who had those discussions. Ask your wife if she ever heard it (though she likely is too young).

[Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz]

I haven't seen the topic in about a year or more. Search for 'licked cupcake', 'bruised flower', chewed gum', etc on this site. Plenty of info.

Essentially, the lessons taught the girls that if they ever 'got busy' prior to marriage, they were essentially worthless in the eyes of God and no worthy, RM, eligible bachelor would ever consider marrying them. It was tantamount to an 'unpardonable sin' that no amount of repentance could expunge.

I don't know whether these examples were in the manuals but too many disparate women had the same lessons in a wide variety of locations to limit it to just a few YW leaders.

Many women I know claim those lessons affect their sexuality later in life, even in marriage.



UGH!! Why do people think those are valuable object lessons?

OK, that makes sense. Don't know why I didn't catch that before. For some reason I was thinking you were referencing some freaky sex acts that I'd never heard of.

[Paperback Writer]

Back in the day, the YM got a different version of that particular object lesson. This one involved passing an apple around the class with everyone taking a bite. At some point there would not be an "open" place for the next guy to bite without overlapping where someone else had bitten the apple. The point was supposed to be that a YW was like that apple and at some point no one would want to partake of the apple after it had been passed around to so many YM who had taken a bite. Has a very Genesis/OT tone to it - don't partake of the apple; respect women because you don't want to end up marrying one that had been passed around and been bitten into.

The problem with the lesson was that it took place right after we returned from a backpacking high adventure where some had run short of food and most had lowered their standards of sanitation during the trip. I was the unlucky guy who got the apple with no "open" place to bite. So that's when the advisor starts preaching and making his point, "Suddenly the apple doesn't seem so delicious now, does it"? "How do you think the apple would taste like now, Hmmm"? I grew up with brothers who sometimes didn't think twice about drinking straight from the milk carton so I proceeded to bite the apple and remarked that it tasted delicious. Then my friend replied, "Hey, I want another bite" and we proceeded to take turns and devoured the apple while the advisor fumbled for words.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I have never heard these in relation to chastity. It was always about media choices, like this movie isn't so bad there are just a few boobies, or this song is not so bad there is only 2 f words. That kind of thing.

And who doesn't like poo brownies?

I hate that object lesson. And there is a Mormon Ad from the New Era with a photo of a cockroach in an ice cream cone. Grrr...

I think we would be better served to teach our youth about balance and how to seek out and enjoy the good in the world while ignoring the bad. We should also teach them not be little Pharisees.

[Pelado]

Back in the day, the YM got a different version of that particular object lesson. This one involved passing an apple around the class with everyone taking a bite. At some point there would not be an "open" place for the next guy to bite without overlapping where someone else had bitten the apple. The point was supposed to be that a YW was like that apple and at some point no one would want to partake of the apple after it had been passed around to so many YM who had taken a bite. Has a very Genesis/OT tone to it - don't partake of the apple; respect women because you don't want to end up marrying one that had been passed around and been bitten into.

The problem with the lesson was that it took place right after we returned from a backpacking high adventure where some had run short of food and most had lowered their standards of sanitation during the trip. I was the unlucky guy who got the apple with no "open" place to bite. So that's when the advisor starts preaching and making his point, "Suddenly the apple doesn't seem so delicious now, does it"? "How do you think the apple would taste like now, Hmmm"? I grew up with brothers who sometimes didn't think twice about drinking straight from the milk carton so I proceeded to bite the apple and remarked that it tasted delicious. Then my friend replied, "Hey, I want another bite" and we proceeded to take turns and devoured the apple while the advisor fumbled for words.

That's not the only potential pitfall for that object lesson.

[FMCoug]

I think one about the brownies with just a tiny speck of feces in them is the best of those types of lessons currently making the rounds.

You guys know by "best" I meant "worst" right?

[myboynoah]

You guys know by "best" I meant "worst" right?

Nope, I didn't get that meaning from your original statement. Now the tide turns and your like all, "Hey guys, I didn't really mean 'best,' I meant 'worst.' LOL!"

[The Fourth Nephite]

I learned that when I miss Sacrament meeting, I always miss something big. We have a guy in our ward that's on the sex offender list for child porn. He moved here about a year ago. He's around 50 and this is the first time he's lived on his own, away from his parents.

He's not 100 percent there. He sometimes acts like he's 12. He mumbles and talks to himself in Sacrament meeting and he makes gestures. I don't know if he has tourettes, or what, but he's not all there.

So last week, he's sitting behind a woman that is not very active. Her husband is active and she comes to church about once every three months. She's also not thrilled that a sex offender is in the neighborhood and in church. During the closing hymn she turns around and says to him, "Will you be quiet!".

He does not take this well and pretty soon they're in each others faces, nose to nose, inches apart. Another brother whose wife did not take a sex offender's presence very well comes over and he kind of gets in between them and tells the sex offender that he needs to leave. They're all standing a this point.

The sex offender turns to leave and as he does, he bops the woman with some books he was carrying. Some say he hit her with them on purpose. Some say it looked incidental to his turning and leaving. She then calls him an obscene name. He leaves. The sherriff is called.

Ahhh....good times.