BYU Honor Code: Racist?

[jay santos]

SU should like this one.

I'm making some assumptions for this. If you want to haggle over assumptions, that's fine also. But I'm particularly interested in the question whether or not the Honor Code is racist, given this set of assumptions.

Assumptions
1. BYU is aware the pool of offenders committing expulsion worthy offenses is quite large.
2. BYU generally chooses to ignore the large pool of offenders except in cases where the offense becomes known by the general public.
3. The cases that become known to the general public are disproportionately made up of athletes from high profile FB and BB program.
4. Athletes from high profile FB and BB programs are disproportionately represented by minorities especially black and Polynesian.

So, question, does the practice of how BYU polices the Honor Code make it a racist policy?

And for the lawyers, if BYU was the U.S. government, could they be sued for racial and discriminatory practices?

[smokymountainrain]

SU should like this one.

I'm making some assumptions for this. If you want to haggle over assumptions, that's fine also. But I'm particularly interested in the question whether or not the Honor Code is racist, given this set of assumptions.

Assumptions
1. BYU is aware the pool of offenders committing expulsion worthy offenses is quite large.
2. BYU generally chooses to ignore the large pool of offenders except in cases where the offense becomes known by the general public.
3. The cases that become known to the general public are disproportionately made up of athletes from high profile FB and BB program.
4. Athletes from high profile FB and BB programs are disproportionately represented by minorities especially black and Polynesian.

So, question, does the practice of how BYU polices the Honor Code make it a racist policy?

Do they choose to ignore the large pool of offenders or is it simply less likely they learn of the offenses when the average Joe bangs the average Jane?

Similarly, in regard to those that they do learn about, do they really choose to ignore those cases or is it that the public doesn't find out about the expulsions?

[jay santos]

Do they choose to ignore the large pool of offenders or is it simply less likely they learn of the offenses when the average Joe bangs the average Jane?

I'm not sure that matters. If I choose to get my information in a way that ends up racially discriminatory, does it even matter? I know that BYU bishops don't feel any pressure whatsoever to turn Honor Code offenders into the HCO.

Similarly, in regard to those that they do learn about, do they really choose to ignore those cases or is it that the public doesn't find out about the expulsions?

I might be making too tight of a correlation between BYU bishops and BYU. A BYU bishop <> BYU, but it seems pretty easy for BYU to control the bishops if they wanted to. If BYU wanted to boot them all, it would be very simple. Bishops are required to sign your EE. If BYU wanted to enforce the HCO consistently they could get the bishops on board pretty easy.

[SeattleUte]

SU should like this one.

I'm making some assumptions for this. If you want to haggle over assumptions, that's fine also. But I'm particularly interested in the question whether or not the Honor Code is racist, given this set of assumptions.

Assumptions
1. BYU is aware the pool of offenders committing expulsion worthy offenses is quite large.
2. BYU generally chooses to ignore the large pool of offenders except in cases where the offense becomes known by the general public.
3. The cases that become known to the general public are disproportionately made up of athletes from high profile FB and BB program.
4. Athletes from high profile FB and BB programs are disproportionately represented by minorities especially black and Polynesian.

So, question, does the practice of how BYU polices the Honor Code make it a racist policy?

And for the lawyers, if BYU was the U.S. government, could they be sued for racial and discriminatory practices?

I don't follow your logic that it's racist. I don't see race motivating BYU's disparate enforcement of the HC. Only fraudelence and hypocrisy, but that's not news.

[DapperDan]

If BYU wanted to enforce the HCO consistently they could get the bishops on board pretty easy.

I don't think it's as easy as you make it out to be. I'm personally aware of a 3 BYU bishops that purposefully ignored the HCO entirely when it came to disciplinary issues even though they were supposed to get the HCO involved in the process.

[jay santos]

I don't follow your logic that it's racist. I don't see race motivating BYU's disparate enforcement of the HC. Only fraudelence and hypocrisy, but that's not news.

Does racism require a racist motive? I'm asking both as a legal standard and also just in a social commentary sense.

[jay santos]

I don't think it's as easy as you make it out to be. I'm personally aware of a 3 BYU bishops that purposefully ignored the HCO entirely when it came to disciplinary issues even though they were supposed to get the HCO involved in the process.

I've talked to three BYU bishops also about this issue and they say the same as you. That's why it's a don't ask don't tell thing. You're "supposed" to turn it in to the HCO wink wink.

But it is that easy. Bishop, you're released. What would happen if a bishop decided not to hold sacrament meeting? Or decide home teaching wasn't important?

[RC Vikings]

But it is that easy. Bishop, you're released. What would happen if a bishop decided not to hold sacrament meeting? Or decide home teaching wasn't important?

He would have a very happy ward.

[smokymountainrain]

But it is that easy. Bishop, you're released. What would happen if a bishop decided not to hold sacrament meeting? Or decide home teaching wasn't important?

If I'm ever made Bishop, I'll let you know what happens in that situation.

[DapperDan]

I've talked to three BYU bishops also about this issue and they say the same as you. That's why it's a don't ask don't tell thing. You're "supposed" to turn it in to the HCO wink wink.

But it is that easy. Bishop, you're released. What would happen if a bishop decided not to hold sacrament meeting? Or decide home teaching wasn't important?

I don't know how easy it would be to find those kind of robots. Two of these guys are pretty hardcore, approaching CB territory, and even they wouldn't play along.

[RobinFinderson]

I don't think that it is racist. There certainly seem to be several standards of the HC, as applied to different kinds of students (athletes and non-athletes is exhibit A), but there doesn't seem to be any different standard for applying the HC within those different groups. If minority athletes were investigated differently than white athletes, that would be racism.

[DU Ute]

i think it is racist when people (no one here) insinuate that blacks are somehow less capable of living up to the HC.