Where have all the Lamanites gone?

[UtahDan]

Interesting post over at BCC.

http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/05/0...amanites-gone/

Essentially says that in the early 80s, use of the word "Lamanite" to refer to living people (as opposed to historical people) was discontinued except for a few instances by a very elderly President Kimball. This reference also disappeared from temple dedications in South America.

Interestingly, however, the term "descendants of Lehi" or "sons and daughters of Lehi" though never appearing in a conference talk is not uncommon in temple dedication prayers to refer to living people. Perhaps this is seen as a less pejorative term somehow.

[myboynoah]

Interesting post over at BCC.

http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/05/0...amanites-gone/

Essentially says that in the early 80s, use of the word "Lamanite" to refer to living people (as opposed to historical people) was discontinued except for a few instances by a very elderly President Kimball. This reference also disappeared from temple dedications in South America.

Interestingly, however, the term "descendants of Lehi" or "sons and daughters of Lehi" though never appearing in a conference talk is not uncommon in temple dedication prayers to refer to living people. Perhaps this is seen as a less pejorative term somehow.

For sure. As toddlers, my eldest accused her bad acting younger sister of "acting like a Lamanite."

[Surfah]

As a half-son of Lehi I think it's funny that only the whiteys get worked up about the use of the word Lamanite. It's the same as white people calling blacks African-Americans because they think black is pejorative. Rather many see the use of AA as a pejorative because it's this PC, white person created term. On the Lavar Arrington and Chad Dukes show, Dukes always says AA. And Lavar always tells him, dude just say black.

I can only provide my own anecdotal experiences but they don't see it as perjorative, rather something they embrace. And this goes for all the Latinos on my mission to all the Polys in my family and that I know. They're proud of it in fact.

BTW, as the fairest of my siblings I want them to know that they too can be cleansed from the curse if they'd but repent and turn their hearts to their fathers they have forgotten.

[Clark Addison]

Interesting post over at BCC.

http://bycommonconsent.com/2010/05/0...amanites-gone/

Essentially says that in the early 80s, use of the word "Lamanite" to refer to living people (as opposed to historical people) was discontinued except for a few instances by a very elderly President Kimball. This reference also disappeared from temple dedications in South America.

Interestingly, however, the term "descendants of Lehi" or "sons and daughters of Lehi" though never appearing in a conference talk is not uncommon in temple dedication prayers to refer to living people. Perhaps this is seen as a less pejorative term somehow.

Out of sensitivity, I forgo use of the term "Lamanite" to refer to current day people. I instead refer to them as "Those cursed with a skin of blackness due to iniquity"

[UtahDan]

As a half-son of Lehi I think it's funny that only the whiteys get worked up about the use of the word Lamanite. It's the same as white people calling blacks African-Americans because they think black is pejorative. Rather many see the use of AA as a pejorative because it's this PC, white person created term. On the Lavar Arrington and Chad Dukes show, Dukes always says AA. And Lavar always tells him, dude just say black.

I can only provide my own anecdotal experiences but they don't see it as perjorative, rather something they embrace. And this goes for all the Latinos on my mission to all the Polys in my family and that I know. They're proud of it in fact.

BTW, as the fairest of my siblings I want them to know that they too can be cleansed from the curse if they'd but repent and turn their hearts to their fathers they have forgotten.

I have to admit, you are white-ish, if not yet delightsome.

[byu71]

Have any of you ever heard of this prophecy. I think I was a kid or something, but essentially it was about the Lamanites turning white and how powerful they would be in America. I could never figure out how it could happen until someone told me the South Americans were Lamanites.

[Indy Coug]

As a half-son of Lehi I think it's funny that only the whiteys get worked up about the use of the word Lamanite. It's the same as white people calling blacks African-Americans because they think black is pejorative. Rather many see the use of AA as a pejorative because it's this PC, white person created term. On the Lavar Arrington and Chad Dukes show, Dukes always says AA. And Lavar always tells him, dude just say black.

I can only provide my own anecdotal experiences but they don't see it as perjorative, rather something they embrace. And this goes for all the Latinos on my mission to all the Polys in my family and that I know. They're proud of it in fact.

BTW, as the fairest of my siblings I want them to know that they too can be cleansed from the curse if they'd but repent and turn their hearts to their fathers they have forgotten.

Just out of curiosity, speaking as someone that has a very small fractional amount of Poly heritage (it's either 1/32nd or 1/64th), how much Poly blood do you need to have to legitimately associate yourself with the Poly community? Or any other racial minority for that matter?

[Donuthole]

When will we ever learn?

[Surfah]

I have to admit, you are white-ish, if not yet delightsome.

Why thank you. I still have a big ass nose though, and breathing all the white man's air. Guess there's nothing to be done about that.

[Surfah]

Just out of curiosity, speaking as someone that has a very small fractional amount of Poly heritage (it's either 1/32nd or 1/64th), how much Poly blood do you need to have to legitimately associate yourself with the Poly community? Or any other racial minority for that matter?

Whatever the grant, scholarship, or application requires.

I am what's convenient.

[Uncle Ted]

According to George P. Lee:

"You (the LDS Church) are slowly causing a silent and subtle scriptural and spiritual slaughter of the Indians and other Lamanites. While physical extermination may have been one of the Federal government's policies long ago, your current scriptural and spiritual extermination of Indians and other Lamanites is the greater sin and great shall be your condemnation for this." (Deseret News, September 2, 1989)

So maybe they have been scripturally and spiritually exterminated?

[Indy Coug]

According to George P. Lee:

"You (the LDS Church) are slowly causing a silent and subtle scriptural and spiritual slaughter of the Indians and other Lamanites. While physical extermination may have been one of the Federal government's policies long ago, your current scriptural and spiritual extermination of Indians and other Lamanites is the greater sin and great shall be your condemnation for this." (Deseret News, September 2, 1989)

So maybe they have been scripturally and spiritually exterminated?

Was this speech made in court while he was apologizing to the girl he molested and her family?

[creekster]

I can only provide my own anecdotal experiences but they don't see it as perjorative, rather something they embrace. And this goes for all the Latinos on my mission to all the Polys in my family and that I know. They're proud of it in fact.

This is true for my wife's polynesian family. They embrace it with great pride.

[SeattleUte]

This is true for my wife's polynesian family. They embrace it with great pride.

Polynesian pre-historic ancestors come from the south coast of China. I don't believe this is debatable based on the linguistic evidence.

In official LDS publications, missionary materials, conference talks, and as strongly suggested or outright stated in the Book of Mormon introduction, Lamanite used to refer to all aboriginal peoples the New World, from the South Sea Islands to Greenland, from Prudoe Bay to Tierra Del Fuego. As usual, there is no coherant doctrine or direction on this. Modern revelation is sorely needed.

Personally, I don't know why the term couldn't just as well refer to Celts or Maltese.

[UtahDan]

Polynesian pre-historic ancestors come from the south coast of China. I don't believe this is debatable based on the linguistic evidence.

No, I'm pretty sure that Lehi didn't wander that far before sailing to the new world. You aren't trying to suggest that Lehi is Chinese are you?