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  • snowcat
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 1348

    #1

    What I Learned in Gospel Doctrine Sunday

    Discussing what we learn from the first vision.

    Class member: "God is White"

    Teacher: "God is not a Negro?"

    Teacher and Class: all nod in approval.
    One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

    Woot

    I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
    SU
  • UtahDan
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    • Nov 2008
    • 14496

    #2
    Originally posted by snowcat View Post
    Discussing what we learn from the first vision.

    Class member: "God is White"

    Teacher: "God is not a Negro?"

    Teacher and Class: all nod in approval.
    I didn't get to that part. Five minutes in a pipe burst in the furnace room and church was canceled. I will be sure to emphasize it next week, however.

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    • snowcat
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 1348

      #3
      Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
      I didn't get to that part. Five minutes in a pipe burst in the furnace room and church was canceled.
      I wish we had been so lucky.
      One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

      Woot

      I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
      SU

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      • SoCalCoug
        Ragnar Lodbrok Descendant
        • Nov 2008
        • 5214

        #4
        Originally posted by snowcat View Post
        Discussing what we learn from the first vision.

        Class member: "God is White"

        Teacher: "God is not a Negro?"

        Teacher and Class: all nod in approval.
        Of course, Mormons aren't racist.
        If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.

        "Somebody needs to kill my trial attorney." — Last words of George Harris, executed in Missouri on Sept. 13, 2000.

        "Nothing is too good to be true, nothing is too good to last, nothing is too wonderful to happen." - Florence Scoville Shinn

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        • myboynoah
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 21719

          #5
          Originally posted by snowcat View Post
          Discussing what we learn from the first vision.

          Class member: "God is White"

          Teacher: "God is not a Negro?"

          Teacher and Class: all nod in approval.
          Hilarious. Did the instructor actually use the word "Negro?"
          Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

          For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

          Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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          • snowcat
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 1348

            #6
            Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
            Hilarious. Did the instructor actually use the word "Negro?"
            Yes, she did. She is an older lady who comes from a different time. What blew me away was that I was the only one in the class that seemed to be bothered by the exchange.
            One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

            Woot

            I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
            SU

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            • wuapinmon
              Soul Plumber
              • Dec 2008
              • 30711

              #7
              Originally posted by snowcat View Post
              Yes, she did. She is an older lady who comes from a different time. What blew me away was that I was the only one in the class that seemed to be bothered by the exchange.
              If she's elderly, I can forgive her for jumping off the euphemism treadmill, but why even point out God's race unless there's some compelling reason other than affirmation of his/your race? If Jesus was white and so you are you and you're a complete bastard, you don't get extra points on judgment day for less surface melanin.
              "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
              The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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              • snowcat
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 1348

                #8
                Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                If she's elderly, I can forgive her for jumping off the euphemism treadmill, but why even point out God's race unless there's some compelling reason other than affirmation of his/your race? If Jesus was white and so you are you and you're a complete bastard, you don't get extra points on judgment day for less surface melanin.
                If we are all the children of God, do we not all belong to God's race?

                There was not a person in the room who would consider themselves the least bit racist. There was noone in the room (including myself) who is not to some degree. I believe are improving as a church, but we have a ways to go.
                One of the grandest benefits of the enlightenment was the realization that our moral sense must be based on the welfare of living individuals, not on their immortal souls. Honest and passionate folks can strongly disagree regarding spiritual matters, so it's imperative that we not allow such considerations to infringe on the real happiness of real people.

                Woot

                I believe religion has much inherent good and has born many good fruits.
                SU

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                • RobinFinderson
                  Banned
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 10548

                  #9
                  How did the word 'negro' become wrong? MLK used the term pretty much exclusively.

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                  • Indy Coug
                    Heartless Bastard
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 18747

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                    How did the word 'negro' become wrong? MLK used the term pretty much exclusively.
                    This really puts Hispanics in quite a bind.
                    Everything in life is an approximation.

                    http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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                    • fusnik
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 4475

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SoCalCoug View Post
                      Of course, Mormons aren't racist.
                      I was in a stake meeting this weekend. The instructor of one of the workshops in front of at least 40 people stated, 'I don't mean to be rude, but most of our problems are because of all the ethnic groups, and are wanting to be fair to them.'

                      On Sunday in EQ one of the brothers, in the EQP, said, 'I sure hope that BO doesn't pander to minority groups and realizes that he is President of the US, not President of minority people.'

                      Followed by an eloquent, 'Yes, why do we call him black anyways? He's half white isn't he?'

                      I can remember this type of shit happening in church since I was a teen. It shocks me more reading intelligent members of the church state that they have never seen nor heard this type of stuff in church, more so than when it happens.

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                      • wuapinmon
                        Soul Plumber
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 30711

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                        How did the word 'negro' become wrong? MLK used the term pretty much exclusively.
                        Steven Pinker calls this process the euphemism treadmill. From a speech given 8-29-01 at MIT, he said:

                        linguists had already noted the process with concepts as diverse as toilets ("lavatories, bathrooms, restrooms"), disabilities ("crippled, handicapped, disabled, challenged"), and old folks ("elderly, golden agers, senior citizens"). Thus, "Negro" became "black," which led to "African-American"; "Oriental" became "Asian"; "Hispanic" became "Latino." This shows that changing a word is not enough to change attitudes, and indicates how far we have to go in achieving racial progress, he said. "We know we will have achieved equality and mutual respect when terms for ethnic minorities stay put."
                        "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                        The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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