You're moving your horsey wrong

[Indy Coug]

http://www2.lhric.org/pocantico/wash...washington.htm

[Moliere]

http://www2.lhric.org/pocantico/wash...washington.htm

You read my boring post

[wuapinmon]

The church has become less demanding of time (well more than in just the last decade) but more demanding of donations of money. I remember before the 3 hour block going to primary on Wednesdays after school. Priesthood meeting was in the morning. Between meetings we had lunch and then sacrament meeting in the afternoon. It sucked. Lately, I have been wishing that the church would go to a two hour block. Of course, since I have been released from the YMs I just usually skip priesthood meeting all together and leave early. My own two hour block.

The church, however, has been become more demanding of money. For example, tithing use to be 2% of one's net worth and not 10% of one's increase (or income). Fast offerings started shortly after the pioneers settled in Utah and donations of the food they didn't eat when fasting. Today food isn't even accepted and members are encouraged to donate a lot more than the costs of the meals. Even in the last couple of decades the church has added things like the perpetual education fund. Also, I had members of my former stake presidency in my home hitting me up for additional donations (e.g. prop 8 and helping the mormon tabernacle choir offset their travel costs to OK City).


Of course, we no longer have building funds. I recall waiting for my dad outside the bishop's office for what seemed like forever to a six year old boy and, when I asked what took him so long on the way home, him telling me that he had just purchased seats in the new church for our family. (I also recall asking my Dad on the first Sunday in the new building which seats were ours.)

That was a really cool article by Quinn!

[Uncle Ted]

That was a really cool article by Quinn!

I liked the part about bishops getting 8% of the tithing take. I wouldn't mind being bishop if that was still the case.

[Pheidippides]

I liked the part about bishops getting 8% of the tithing take. I wouldn't mind being bishop if that was still the case.

Based on the numbers from my ward a couple of years ago, the 8% take would have been $83k a year.

[Uncle Ted]

Based on the numbers from my ward a couple of years ago, the 8% take would have been $83k a year.

Not bad for a part-time job.

[Indy Coug]

I liked the part about bishops getting 8% of the tithing take. I wouldn't mind being bishop if that was still the case.

Bishops don't have to put in anywhere near the kind of time and effort to collect tithes like they did in them olden days. The counselors and clerks spend more time than they do.

[Uncle Ted]

Bishops don't have to put in anywhere near the kind of time and effort to collect tithes like they did in them olden days. The counselors and clerks spend more time than they do.

Of course, in them olden days they got a retirement pension as well if their tenure as bishop and/or SP was long.

[Pheidippides]

Bishops don't have to put in anywhere near the kind of time and effort to collect tithes like they did in them olden days. The counselors and clerks spend more time than they do.

Bump it to 10% and then split it among the five in the b-ric.

Of course that will make for some interesting campaigning when it's time for a new one. Payment for piety.

[CardiacCoug]

creekster is right. If everyone participated thusly on their own terms there'd be no LDS Church. Such people can participate on their own terms because of people like creekster and LA Ute. This is the progmo conundrum.

Agreed.

I guess one progmo response is "Let the true believers who enjoy the leadership experience go ahead and lead. Not everybody is cut out for it."

But that solution does seem somewhat morally problematic in the sense that if you're going to enjoy the benefits of an organization you should pull your weight in helping the organization function.

[wuapinmon]

We are a long way away from this thread. It remains some of our collective best work.